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Old 07-17-2008, 07:49 PM   #21
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I suppose there can be a conspiracy to do good.....It just does not fill with some of the statements about the forum.....

I would venture there are not many that belive in a conspiracy to do good.....many would applaud that type of conspiracy.
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Old 07-17-2008, 07:51 PM   #22
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Anytime you want to start a thread that doesn't attack, but actually leaves an issue up for discussion be my guest...
If you interpret a generalised comment on the forum - which I would freely admit is no more than a subjective value judgement, which may or may not be objectively true - as an ATTACK, and if you prefer to focus on that throwaway, not particularly important comment, rather than discussing the actual subject then that's your lookout...

But if a leftwing poster says that all opponents of gay marriage on FYM, or indeed all Republican voters on FYM, are motivated by bigotry, you wouldn't object now, would you? But, again, it's a value judgement.

Double standard, much?


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As far as the issue, I said I'm going to need to do some research.
I am glad to hear it. It is an interesting subject, in my view.
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then that's your lookout...

But if a leftwing poster says that all opponents of gay marriage on FYM, or indeed all Republican voters on FYM, are motivated by bigotry, you wouldn't object now, would you? But, again, it's a value judgement.

Double standard, much?


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You know I have been complaining about the treatment of the right in the forum, yet, I do not agree you can equate the belief in conspiracy with being gay.
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But if a leftwing poster says that all opponents of gay marriage on FYM, or indeed all Republican voters on FYM, are motivated by bigotry, you wouldn't object now, would you? But, again, it's a value judgement.

Double standard, much?
You're missing my point. All I'm saying is that when starting a thread you would get a lot more responses by not starting on the offensive.

Several of your threads start with, "but of course FYM won't..." or something to that extent, and you've been called out on it by others as well. Sometimes it seems like you really don't want a discussion but just and excuse to frame an attack or bait.
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Several of your threads start with, "but of course FYM won't..." or something to that extent, and you've been called out on it by others as well. Sometimes it seems like you really don't want a discussion but just and excuse to frame an attack or bait.
You do realise you'd be better off not taking the bait, don't you? Why, if you feel some people's posts are always trollish, do you always seem to respond? You know this thread would have pretty much died without your posts.
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You know this thread would have pretty much died without your posts.
No it wouldn't.

I'd have kept bumping it.
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The exception doesn't make the rule. Just because some conspiracy theories are right, and are true, doesn't mean they all are, or even most. That said, the opposite (just because some news coverage, press releases, government positions, etc) isn't necessarily the case either. If there were overwhelming evidence, which actually constituted verifiable sources both quantifiable and qualitative and a case that isn't wholly circumstantial, then there'd be a higher likelihood of it being believed by a larger group of people, conspiracy theory or common experience. Some people are too skeptical for their own good, and some not skeptical enough.

If this particular theory fits into the latter, and actually has validation and merit, then all the better. I don't think it would surprise anyone to learn that Russia's ambitions spread beyond the parts of Eastern Europe that they seized while marching to Berlin, though, so I can't really say that I'm surprised that there were plans made to counter any offensives -- moreover, I can't say I'm surprised that it wouldn't be public knowledge, either. Some sort of secret war would by no means be out of character for the cold-war era, which saw lots of tumult, chaos, and questionable-at-best conflicts. That the actions of the KGB and such would be played up and vilified more than an allied/American force doesn't surprise me either. I'm not going to buy into the whole thing based on a Wikipedia article, but it certainly seems more credible even just on the surface of things than something like 'no man on the moon' or 'it would have taken 100 seconds for the towers to fall' sorts of spurious conspiracies.
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You do realise you'd be better off not taking the bait, don't you? Why, if you feel some people's posts are always trollish, do you always seem to respond? You know this thread would have pretty much died without your posts.
I really was trying to be as cordial as I could and just point out that he may want to re-think his approach if he truly wants a discussion.
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