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Old 07-17-2016, 04:32 PM   #241
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Exactly. I'm not being sarcastic either.

Due to this country's history of slavery and systematic racism against African-Americans by angry white republicans, I strongly believe that African-Americans shouldn't be policed by this racist white system. Due to all these racist shootings and situations where African-Americans have been harassed and discriminated against by these white cops, laws should be passed prohibiting white police from detaining, arresting, and generally dealing with African-Americans without a officer-of-color being present. African-Americans have been victimized by this racist system and are often forced into situations where they commit crimes at a disproportionate rate. Given their terrible track record, If a white cop responds to a violent crime, such as an armed robbery, and the suspect is an African-American, the white cop can't be trusted to respond with a reasonable level of force and should therefore not engage. Remember, the minority "suspect" is a victim of systematic racism.

Furthermore, African-Americans should be compensated for all they've had to endure in this country. Police should be required to use more discretion in dealing with African-Americans and they should be more lenient in regards to certain petty "crimes", especially when a white person is the supposed "victim." African-Americans have been victimized by this racist white system for 100s of years so some "payback" might be in order.

African-Americans also deserve financial compensation for all they've endured. I'm all for tax breaks and other entitlements for minority groups. White privilege is a reality and these racist white right wingers and Trump supporters need to pay up.

So fight racism with segregation? That's just as ignorant as the problem itself.


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Exactly. I'm not being sarcastic either.

Due to this country's history of slavery and systematic racism against African-Americans by angry white republicans, I strongly believe that African-Americans shouldn't be policed by this racist white system. Due to all these racist shootings and situations where African-Americans have been harassed and discriminated against by these white cops, laws should be passed prohibiting white police from detaining, arresting, and generally dealing with African-Americans without a officer-of-color being present. African-Americans have been victimized by this racist system and are often forced into situations where they commit crimes at a disproportionate rate. Given their terrible track record, If a white cop responds to a violent crime, such as an armed robbery, and the suspect is an African-American, the white cop can't be trusted to respond with a reasonable level of force and should therefore not engage. Remember, the minority "suspect" is a victim of systematic racism.

Furthermore, African-Americans should be compensated for all they've had to endure in this country. Police should be required to use more discretion in dealing with African-Americans and they should be more lenient in regards to certain petty "crimes", especially when a white person is the supposed "victim." African-Americans have been victimized by this racist white system for 100s of years so some "payback" might be in order.

African-Americans also deserve financial compensation for all they've endured. I'm all for tax breaks and other entitlements for minority groups. White privilege is a reality and these racist white right wingers and Trump supporters need to pay up.
If you're not being sarcastic, you're bonkers.

We should let African Americans get away with crimes and victimize white people because of what went on 150 years ago?

And white police have to let African Americans get away with crime because of a few examples of misused force?

So basically you're suggesting lawlessness, but only for African Americans?

That'll restore harmony in the country.
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right! Purge these racist white trash republicans and trump supporters and send them back to europe!!!!!!!!!



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right! Purge these racist white trash republicans and trump supporters and send them back to europe!!!!!!!!!
Back to Europe???
Hey, they're Americans, US citizens. So you can keep them.
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Exactly. I'm not being sarcastic either.

Due to this country's history of slavery and systematic racism against African-Americans by angry white republicans, I strongly believe that African-Americans shouldn't be policed by this racist white system. Due to all these racist shootings and situations where African-Americans have been harassed and discriminated against by these white cops, laws should be passed prohibiting white police from detaining, arresting, and generally dealing with African-Americans without a officer-of-color being present. African-Americans have been victimized by this racist system and are often forced into situations where they commit crimes at a disproportionate rate. Given their terrible track record, If a white cop responds to a violent crime, such as an armed robbery, and the suspect is an African-American, the white cop can't be trusted to respond with a reasonable level of force and should therefore not engage. Remember, the minority "suspect" is a victim of systematic racism.

Furthermore, African-Americans should be compensated for all they've had to endure in this country. Police should be required to use more discretion in dealing with African-Americans and they should be more lenient in regards to certain petty "crimes", especially when a white person is the supposed "victim." African-Americans have been victimized by this racist white system for 100s of years so some "payback" might be in order.

African-Americans also deserve financial compensation for all they've endured. I'm all for tax breaks and other entitlements for minority groups. White privilege is a reality and these racist white right wingers and Trump supporters need to pay up.

Speaking as someone who is favor of reparations and ending mass incarceration and the War on Drugs and massively reforming our criminal justice system, allowing certain people to get away with crimes is a horrible idea.


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Good luck finding a police officer who can afford to live in Washington DC. Or San Francisco. Or ...
Eh, you'd be surprised. The salary in San Francisco is contractually obligated to be the second-highest in the nation (usually right behind NYC's), so they could very well afford to live in San Francisco and even purchase a home.
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Eh, you'd be surprised. The salary in San Francisco is contractually obligated to be the second-highest in the nation (usually right behind NYC's), so they could very well afford to live in San Francisco and even purchase a home.

You really are detached aren't you? Just looking at the average police salary of 7 years served and you can barely afford rent in the city.


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Eh, you'd be surprised. The salary in San Francisco is contractually obligated to be the second-highest in the nation (usually right behind NYC's), so they could very well afford to live in San Francisco and even purchase a home.

Hell, my software engineering friends who started at $120k/year in San Francisco can't foresee a time when they'll be able to buy houses there.


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Hell, my software engineering friends who started at $120k/year in San Francisco can't foresee a time when they'll be able to buy houses there.


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Eh, you'd be surprised. The salary in San Francisco is contractually obligated to be the second-highest in the nation (usually right behind NYC's), so they could very well afford to live in San Francisco and even purchase a home.
Lolz

First off, the NYPD doesn't even have the highest paid police officers within the New York Metropolitan Area, by a long shot. So that's just plain wrong.

Starting salary is $42k. After differential and OT maybe they're bringing home 50k.

By year 5 the salary for the rank and file is 78k, or 88-90k after OT/diff, or just enough to pay for a shitty one bedroom.

There's a reason why so many cops live just outside of the city limits, and why many double their hours with overtime (great way to keep them fresh!)
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San Francisco starting salary is over 80K. I'm wrong in what I thought was the #1 salary as it's probably Chicago if I remember correctly. But San Francisco's contract guarantees them #2. At those starting wages and the seven year raise, you can afford a million dollar home with a 30 year mortgage, etc.

Once a cop has been there for seven years, they're basically making the same, if not a little more, than most of the new techies that live in the city. So, yes, they can easily afford the sky-high rents or purchasing an apartment, etc. Beyond that, their salary is plenty to purchase a home and quickly commute from anywhere else nearby.
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San Francisco starting salary is over 80K. I'm wrong in what I thought was the #1 salary as it's probably Chicago if I remember correctly. But San Francisco's contract guarantees them #2. At over 100K a year, starting, you can afford a million dollar home with a 30 year mortgage, etc.

Once a cop has been there for seven years, they're basically making the same, if not a little more, than most of the techies that live in the city. So, yes, they can easily afford the sky-high rents or purchasing an apartment, etc.
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Rent or mortgage should be no more than 30% of your income.

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Hell, my software engineering friends who started at $120k/year in San Francisco can't foresee a time when they'll be able to buy houses there.
It all depends on your lifestyle. Honest to god, my total non-rent expenses in a year run maybe $12,000, tops. So, if we're saying I had $100,000 after taxes, then I could theoretically put most of that towards a house payment...

But that's me. And I don't really live some sort of pauper lifestyle, but don't require a car (girlfriend has one though, but we didn't have one when living in SF or Berkeley) and don't really go out for food and drink much, etc.
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Rent or mortgage should be no more than 30% of your income.

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The operative word is should. I spend about half my income on the house payments and would spend even more on it if I made even more. Again, it's all down to lifestyle. No kids, etc.
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The operative word is should. I spend about half my income on the house payments and would spend even more on it if I made even more. Again, it's all down to lifestyle. No kids, etc.
Well unless you are sponging off someone I seriously doubt your annual expenses are only 5,000.00.
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