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Old 12-03-2015, 09:42 AM   #561
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Must be quite the conundrum for your average right winger - 2nd amendment rights applying equally to Islamists (if that is what it turns out to be).
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Confirmed. All four firearms were purchased legally.
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well, at least they followed the law
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So is that a reason to not even try?

We're never going to prevent the world from dying eventually, so we might as well not try to lower global warming effects and everything? Stop polluting our planet?

We're all going to die anyway, should we stop medical research and care, as that only elongates the inevitable?
No, of course not.
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I've traveled around the world, walked in some dodgy areas, been in unsafe places, but it was only in the United States, the supposed most civilized country on Earth, where the fear of getting caught in a shooting entered my mind.

Sometimes, while visiting the States, I'd go somewhere, a public place like a restaurant, and wonder if we're all just sitting ducks for some lunatic with a legally-purchased gun. In New York this summer, where I spent 4 days to see a pair of U2 shows, I'd walk in somewhere and immediately take note of all the exit points, just in case I needed them. I'd formulate a plan of escape in my head.

Now you tell me if that's rational or not. I would submit to you that it's not. But that is where we are in the U.S. in 2015, and it's only getting worse because of inaction from so-called political leaders.
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I've traveled around the world, walked in some dodgy areas, been in unsafe places, but it was only in the United States, the supposed most civilized country on Earth, where the fear of getting caught in a shooting entered my mind.
Yesterday in the middle of the shootout with the SUV, CNN had some law enforcement expert on and the anchor was commenting how disturbing it was to see military-grade vehicles driving up to the shot up SUV in a residential area. And the expert said to her, well we (police departments) have received a lot of criticism about how militarized we have become in terms of weaponry and heavy equipment but the reality is that our civilians are militarized, so there is no way the police won't be as well. And this was all seen as totally normal.
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Instead of the candidates debating on how best to deal with ISIS I think they better start thinking about the NRA, it's a shame if you're a terrorist and you can't just go in and buy an assault rifle in any other country in this world like you can in the US, these others must be so jealous.
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I've traveled around the world, walked in some dodgy areas, been in unsafe places, but it was only in the United States, the supposed most civilized country on Earth, where the fear of getting caught in a shooting entered my mind.

Sometimes, while visiting the States, I'd go somewhere, a public place like a restaurant, and wonder if we're all just sitting ducks for some lunatic with a legally-purchased gun. In New York this summer, where I spent 4 days to see a pair of U2 shows, I'd walk in somewhere and immediately take note of all the exit points, just in case I needed them. I'd formulate a plan of escape in my head.

Now you tell me if that's rational or not. I would submit to you that it's not. But that is where we are in the U.S. in 2015, and it's only getting worse because of inaction from so-called political leaders.
It's funny you mentioned that part that I've bolded but I also do the same thing but everywhere I go-even just the local dunkin donuts I notice if there's a second exit somewhere. Also travelling and sitting in conference rooms - I immediately look how close I am to an exit.
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I've traveled around the world, walked in some dodgy areas, been in unsafe places, but it was only in the United States, the supposed most civilized country on Earth, where the fear of getting caught in a shooting entered my mind.

Sometimes, while visiting the States, I'd go somewhere, a public place like a restaurant, and wonder if we're all just sitting ducks for some lunatic with a legally-purchased gun. In New York this summer, where I spent 4 days to see a pair of U2 shows, I'd walk in somewhere and immediately take note of all the exit points, just in case I needed them. I'd formulate a plan of escape in my head.

Now you tell me if that's rational or not. I would submit to you that it's not. But that is where we are in the U.S. in 2015, and it's only getting worse because of inaction from so-called political leaders.
I feel the same way. Recently my wife and I were attending an event in a public place where one mentally ill person started to scream, and that immediately generated a stampede of people (there were probably 300+ there) running for the exits. Obviously everyone's fear was that the person had a gun. Is this seriously the way to live?

To me, it's not surprising that gun advocates tend to correlate very closely with the climate change-denying, anti-immigration, pro-foreign intervention, Jay Cutler is an elite quarterback (sorry) crowd. There seems to be a trend where a growing portion of the population, fueled perhaps by social-media-influenced groupthink, just choose to flat out ignore verifiable facts that are actually not that hard to grasp.
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Maybe we could all post our favorite meaningless platitudes right here.

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This is just the ultimate clusterfuck for the 24 hour news douches...

You've got one side yelling "this is a gun control issue!" while the other side is yelling "it's a terrorism issue!" and nobody has the common fucking sense to realize that it's both.
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Is it unusual for a terrorist to target places/people known to him? To attack the specific/familiar instead of the general/public?

Like, there's a part of me that wonders if he was a pissed-off employee but also was plotting terrorist stuff, and then the last straw happened and he said 'fuck it, I'm using my arsenal and attack gear for this instead because I hate those guys.' "
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Should not have served Ham at the party......


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It's funny you mentioned that part that I've bolded but I also do the same thing but everywhere I go-even just the local dunkin donuts I notice if there's a second exit somewhere. Also travelling and sitting in conference rooms - I immediately look how close I am to an exit.
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I feel the same way. Recently my wife and I were attending an event in a public place where one mentally ill person started to scream, and that immediately generated a stampede of people (there were probably 300+ there) running for the exits. Obviously everyone's fear was that the person had a gun. Is this seriously the way to live?

i'm working on a project about a mass shooting at present. i have no idea how i'd get out of my office. i hate how i have to think about these things.

who needs Daesh or Al-Qaeda. Americans are plenty good at terrorizing themselves.

the gun industry loves this.
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President Obama today

"Yesterday, a tragedy occurred in San Bernardino, and as I said in the immediate aftermath, our first order of business is to send our thoughts and prayers to the families of those who have been killed and to pray for a speedy recovery for those who were injured during this terrible attack."
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President Obama today



"Yesterday, a tragedy occurred in San Bernardino, and as I said in the immediate aftermath, our first order of business is to send our thoughts and prayers to the families of those who have been killed and to pray for a speedy recovery for those who were injured during this terrible attack."

Kinda missing the point...


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