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Old 10-10-2015, 06:07 AM   #381
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The real shame here is that there is an easy way to drastically reduce it. Painfully easy, and a way that does not threaten anyone's liberty or take away their rights. Get rid of the lobbying arm of the NRA and there wouldn't be an "ongoing mass shootings thread" on this or any US-based forum.

It's mind boggling that one side of this debate has essentially looked at all these tragedies and the alarming rate at which they occur and said "this is acceptable collateral damage for our cause."
Mind boggling indeed.. just can't wrap my head around that some people are totally okay with all this..
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We need black and Muslim groups to get together and start celebrating their right to open carry in those states which allow it.

I bet we'd get some folks supporting gun control then.







someone said this in jest on another site, but there's got to be some truth to it. Didn't the right wingers freak out in the 60s or 70s when the Black Panthers celebrated their open carry rights?
I think you're on to something.

It's about time America got the black gay Muslim aborted fetus in favor of gun rights hero we deserve.
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Mind boggling indeed.. just can't wrap my head around that some people are totally okay with all this..
It really is. When you read some opinions of people on the internet, it seems that most Americans are also baffled as to why nothing is changing. I think Irvine also linked some articles that say most Americans are in favor of at least some regulation?

How can something which a fairly large portion of the population supports, not happen? The money involved in American politics seems the biggest problem to me. It's unbelievable how much influence the private sector has.
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We could get a citizen's united case next year

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It really is. When you read some opinions of people on the internet, it seems that most Americans are also baffled as to why nothing is changing. I think Irvine also linked some articles that say most Americans are in favor of at least some regulation?



How can something which a fairly large portion of the population supports, not happen? The money involved in American politics seems the biggest problem to me. It's unbelievable how much influence the private sector has.


The NRA is an incredibly powerful lobby group.

They hold us all hostage.
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We could have some movement on gun laws next year

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Gun rights advocates are urging the Supreme Court to strike down a local Chicago ordinance prohibiting semiautomatic "assault weapons" that can carry more than 10 rounds.

The justices on Friday were to consider the appeal in Friedman vs. City of Highland Park. If they refuse to hear the appeal, the announcement could come as early as Tuesday morning. Such a decision would signal that cities have the authority to restrict high-powered weapons.

But if the justices vote to take up the case, it would put in doubt the constitutionality of laws in other places, including California, that prohibit semiautomatic weapons.

"These are some of the most popular firearms commonly used by law-abiding citizens in America," said David H. Thompson, a lawyer for the Illinois gun owners who are challenging the assault weapons ban adopted in the North Shore Chicago suburb of Highland Park.
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How anyone could fight gun restrictions in Chicago, is beyond me.
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What a dumbfuck.
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Why would a Law Abiding citizen need a gun that can carry more than 10 rounds?
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Why would a Law Abiding citizen need a gun that can carry more than 10 rounds?
Let's simplify that: why would a law abiding citizen need a gun?

I have no desire to hunt or kill anything because I'm not a barbarian and I live in a safe first world country, so of course I don't need to be armed.
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Let's simplify that: why would a law abiding citizen need a gun?

I have no desire to hunt or kill anything because I'm not a barbarian and I live in a safe first world country, so of course I don't need to be armed.
Fair enough. Well some people need guns for their job, which is fine by me. But like you, I have absolutely no desire to be armed at all. I don't need it, so I have no need to want it.

My friend's parents are both hunters by profession, so they have guns. But they are stored in a locked safe of which nobody else in the house knows the code (which is mandatory by law), with the bullets out. So when they are called in by the uhh, forest rangers I guess? They bring their gun, set out into the woods to either manage the population of the animals there or to finish off injured beyond recovery animals (deer that have jumped in front of cars for instance) and do their job. Then the animal is brought to the local butcher, and the gun is locked again into the safe. Nobody can take out the gun to go crazy and shoot somebody, they get regular checks if they are still capable of wielding a gun, and are properly trained (you need a permit to become a hunter here that requires several months of training, how to properly handle the gun, how to properly treat the animals you hunt, awareness on the laws, etc etc).

My friend is going to get her permit sometime next year, she grew up in a hunters family and is going to follow in their footsteps besides her regular job. Good for her, and I'm glad she has that opportunity. But I'm also glad I don't have to do it.

So people that want to use guns for hunting can still get them here. Even those that shoot for fun can keep a gun in a locker at a gun range. BUT it is pretty properly regulated. So how can the gun nuts in the US not want regulations when it makes them safer in the end too?
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My grandpa and uncles were hunters, and I remember their rifles were in one of the bedrooms at my grandparents' house when I was young. I don't specifically remember any lectures/warnings about the guns, but I knew to leave them alone. (I'm also sure they weren't loaded - my grandparents weren't complete idiots.)

My parents now have a small gun. I don't love the idea, but more or less understand it. When they take their RV to the southwest in the winter, they go driving/hiking in some really remote locations and never know what they will run into.

But, even in 2015 it's true - there are people in rural US locations who still hunt for food. So I can understand the need/desire for certain types of guns.
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I'm thinking we need well trained (can't stress that enough) armed guards at schools and other public places.

It won't stop all, but it may reduce the frequency.

I didn't use to think this way but it's obvious we will not pass any laws to make guns less accessible to those who shouldn't have them. So if we won't go that route, we need to pay more as a society to protect ourselves from one another.

We have armed guards protecting our produce at whole foods and we don't blink an eye, so why not station someone in front of schools or theaters?

Again, not the society we want, but seems like it's the option best served right now.

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Let's simplify that: why would a law abiding citizen need a gun?
Because they like to shoot them at shooting ranges. My husband owns several handguns and rifles; granted, mostly black powder so they're fairly unregulated, but he has several smokeless guns. He likes to shoot them at shooting ranges after work. We have a gun safe. He's never bought them for "protection." He likes the mechanisms and the history. He's a Buddhist who was a vegetarian until around five years ago. Guns don't fascinate me, but I'm a crack shot with my pink BB gun (after some practice).

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I'm thinking we need well trained (can't stress that enough) armed guards at schools and other public places.
I can't imagine any Republican wanting to pay for this. They'll want to talk about it, but they're so obsessed with "no more taxes" that there's no way in hell they'll want to pay for fully-qualified, adequately trained guards.

Plus, remodeling schools to make them contained enough to make the guards effective would cost so much more money than anyone is willing to spend. It took a miracle to get the voters in my district to approve a bond issue to update our schools' electrical wiring to make it handle to computers required for state testing.

And, think of how effective the "well-trained" TSA can be. How much more would school guards have to be paid to be trained enough to actually stop one of these clowns? It's difficult for police and they're extremely well-trained in marksmanship, use of force, etc.
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We have armed guards protecting our produce at whole foods
Say what? Where is this high-security Whole Foods located - Fallujah?
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