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Old 01-23-2008, 02:43 PM   #81
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Yes Philly...it IS that simple.

Right now, Bush is the proverbial cat watching over the mice.

Here and there the mice come out to carry out attacks against the cat but, overall, the cat is managing to protect its house against the hoards of mice beating at its door.

Do I really need to continue or do you get my point?
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I think AchtungBono has a point. Bush has done so many things, not necessarily because they have been popular, but because he knows it's for the good of the country, and knowing full well that after he leaves office he'll probably never have any sort of political role again. If that ain't brave, I don't know what is.
Talk about two blind posts.

I think 2816 puts it best when he says "If that ain't brave, I don't know what is."

Bush isn't brave. He's cocky and stubborn.

And AB, it's quite clear you don't have the first clue about foreign policy.
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I always try hard and think when I choose my analogies



people will read into them things that the author may not intend


that being said, comparing people to vermin is not a good analogy,
this has been done in the past, to gain acceptance/ or indifference for extermination
I'm deeply sorry if that's how this analogy sounded.
What I meant was "when the cat is away, the mice will play"

I was definitely NOT comparing anyone with vermin - I hope that is now clear.
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Talk about two blind posts.

I think 2816 puts it best when he says "If that ain't brave, I don't know what is."

Bush isn't brave. He's cocky and stubborn.

And AB, it's quite clear you don't have the first clue about foreign policy.
Good morning Philly,

I'd like to respond to you but I'm not quite sure what you meant by foreign policy.

Could you clarify please?

Thanks.
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Old 01-24-2008, 03:07 AM   #84
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Try your comments about Al Qaeda for one.

According to reports, they are stronger today than since 2001.

Yet you lament a change in the policy that has caused this.

That's because you're duped by biased media and politicians into thinking that any change in the policy means some kind of surrender.

It took Bush over 4 years to decide that he didn't have enough soldiers on the ground. He fired a General who said as much in 2003, 4.5 years later he's parading Petraeus around as the saviour. How many more casualties did this 'bravery' cause? And you and 2861 and others want to pat him on the back for sticking by his guns?

That's the cowboy M.O., a fucking tragic display of ignorance and hubris. Who cares what it costs in treasure as long as someone can't proclaim they "beat" the United States. This is the Vietnam argument that helped 58,000 soldiers meet their demise and countless thousands of others suffer to this day. Including John McCain, why does he say he's willing to stay in Iraq for 100 years? Because he's still fighting that same fight.

At some point, wiser heads have to prevail.
That leaves the Bushies out. Thank God.
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Good morning Philly,

I'd like to respond to you but I'm not quite sure what you meant by foreign policy.

Could you clarify please?

Thanks.
U2DMFan pretty much said everything I want to say.
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Thing is though... would our country "really" be better? will we really come out of the war? and if we do will everything be okay all of a sudden? I think right now it's just a big big big mess. We pull out, it's a mess, we stay, it's a mess.

Bush is terrible, but everytime I look at him I laugh.
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I have only 4 words for the day Bush leaves office:

G-d help us all.......
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Nah, I'm sure he will accept that his time is over and leave office peacefully.
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I have only 4 words for the day Bush leaves office:

G-d help us all.......
It's comments like this that make it impossible to take you seriously.
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I have only 4 words for the day Bush leaves office:

G-d help us all.......
There's a huge difference between liking Bush and thinking everyone else is inferior.

So, yeah, what Diemen said.
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I added a Bush countdown application on my Facebook. There's now 358 days, 9 hours and 56 minutes left!
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I'm truly sorry that some people just don't understand what this man has done (and is still doing) to keep them all safe and sound.

They seem to forget that there have been no attacks on American soil since 911 and that dozens of potential attacks have been thwarted thanks to the extraordinary measures that the government has taken to detect and flush out terrorists. Not to mention the hundreds of terror suspects who have been captured and detained (including the mastermind of 911 - Khaled Sheikh Mohammed).

One of the greatest achievement of the Bush administration is the removal of Saddam Hussein and his subsequent execution. Hussein was a major threat to my country and I breathed a sigh of relief when I saw him on the gallows - even though, in my opinion, hanging was too good a death for him in comparison to the degradation and torture to which he subjected the Iraqi citizens.

I'm deeply fearful that the next president of the USA will be so "gung ho" and eager to pull out of Iraq, and cancel all the laws that GWB initiated, that all the progress that has been made over the past 7 years will go down the drain.

And I'm speaking from experience........let me give you an example:

In 1982, Israel launched an offensive in Lebanon which turned into the first Lebanese war. This war saw the establishment of the terrorist organization Hezbollah (our greatest enemy to the north). This war was very controversial in it's time and lasted for approximately 3 years. Israeli public opinion demanded an end to the war and to return the troops home.

In 1985, the official war ended and Israel withdrew from Lebanon up till a point near the Israeli border which was called "The security zone". This was established in order to create a buffer zone which would place the northern cities of Israel out of the reach of the Hezbollah katyusha rockets which were fired on them on nearly a daily basis.

In the year 2000, after a change in government (and years of pressure), Israel's new PM Ehud Barak caved in to public pressure and Israel made a very hasty withdrawal from the security zone back to the Israeli border. This withdrawal was made unilaterally with Israel effectively abandoning the area and leaving it to the mercy of the Hezbollah terroriists, with absolutely no provision for defence against them.

The interim period between 2000 and 2006 gave Hezbollah more than enough time to re-arm themselves (with the help of Iran) and to gather more recruits, establishing themselves firmly as the "warlords" of Southern Lebanon - violating that country's sovereignty. Then, in July of 2006, Hezbollah brazenly launched an attack on our border, taking 2 of our soldieris hostage and killing 8 more. Israel had had enough of this constant threat on our border and struck back.

I won't go into the entire history of this war - I'll save that for another thread.
Let's just say that the results of the hasty retreat of 2000 were painfully felt.

I'm very much afraid that the same thing will happen here. The next president will be in a very big hurry to bring the troops back from Iraq and Afghanistan. If that happens, without reaching any kind of agreement with the Iraqi and Afghani governments (especially if Osama Bin Laden isn't captured yet), the U.S.A is leaving itself wide open for another terrorist attack (G-d forbid!!).

George Bush had the courage to fight back and the next American president absolutely MUST continue the war on terror - otherwise all the troops who have been killed and wounded would have given themselves for nothing - and that would be the biggest tragedy of all.

In the end, with G-ds help, ultimately the good guys will win. Al Qaida will be defeated and Bin Laden will go the way of all evil doers - he will be captured and brought to justice.
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Just a few questions, because I'm from Australia, and have absolutely no idea how American politics work.

First, on the new race. At the moment, there appears to be about seven different people running for president. The ones I hear about the most are Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, this Mitt Romney and another bloke (John Edwards or something?).
Now I am correct in saying Obama and Clinton are from the same party? The democrats? And the other two are from the Republicans? So how exactly are Obama and Clinton competing against each other? And what are the major differences between Republicans and Democrats?
How did America initially feel about the opportunity of having either a black president or a woman president?
What are 'primaries?' Are they like opinion polls? Or are they the actual voting? Do they count for anything? Do they visit all 50 states?
How come whenever these 'primaries are talked about, only Obama v Clinton is mentioned? Are they only for Democrats?
What happened to (was it John?) Kerry who ran for president in the last election?
What about Al Gore?
And now about George W Bush. From all I've read, seen over the past say three years, the man is probably the most hated man in the world. How the hell did he become President then? Who voted? If he's so incredibly stupid, why did you vote him there in the first place? Has he done anything right? There's just no respect for the man.
Why aren't Bush or Kerry running for president again (okay, Bush wouldn't get in, obviously), but are they not allowed to run again??

If there's anyone who'd like to answer a few, that'd be very much appreciated. And a reply to the above, as well! How do you all know that everything will go swimmingly once Bush leaves office? You can't predict the future.

It's all very confusing when you're in a country where we have about five parties, of which only two can produce our Prime Minister, and the race is between only two men. The man who was just booted out of office, John Howard, was disliked by people across Australia, but was never so abhorred.
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Just a few questions, because I'm from Australia, and have absolutely no idea how American politics work.

First, on the new race. At the moment, there appears to be about seven different people running for president. The ones I hear about the most are Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, this Mitt Romney and another bloke (John Edwards or something?). Now I am correct in saying Obama and Clinton are from the same party? The democrats? And the other two are from the Republicans?
The Democratic frontrunners: Obama, Clinton and Edwards
The Republican frontrunners: McCain, Romney and Huckabee (is he still in).
Giuliani just dropped out, and I'm not going to include Paul as being a frontrunner.

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So how exactly are Obama and Clinton competing against each other?[...]What are 'primaries?' Are they like opinion polls? Or are they the actual voting? Do they count for anything? Do they visit all 50 states?
Since there is always a number of politicians from both parties that want to run for president, both parties first hold the primaries. Here the presidential candidates of the parties are competing against their opponents in the same party.
Primaries and caucusses are held in all 50 states except Hawaii. There is both proportional and majority representation depending on party and state.
In those primaries and caucusses the voters are going to vote for the candidated they like to run for president. The candidates get appointed delegates from each state according to how they fared, and those will formally vote for them at the respective party's national convention.
The winners of the primaries then compete in the general election.

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And what are the major differences between Republicans and Democrats?
In short one could probably say:
The Democrats are generally liberal, left-wing.
The Republicans are generally conservative, right-wing.
How did America initially feel about the opportunity of having either a black president or a woman president?

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How come whenever these 'primaries are talked about, only Obama v Clinton is mentioned? Are they only for Democrats?
I don't know about the US, but internationally it is expected that the next president will be a Democrat, so the media is focussing on the Democratic competition. Additionally, Obama and Clinton are currently in a pretty sharp competition, and Edwards is more or less out of the race. Hence, it is more interesting for the international media to focus on Obama and Clinton.

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What happened to (was it John?) Kerry who ran for president in the last election?
He lost in the last election in 2004 to Bush, and isn't running again since he won't have a chance, and running for president is pretty expensive in the US.

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What about Al Gore?
He ran in 2000 and "lost" to Bush. Now he is focussing on championing climate change awareness and policies and probably not running again.

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And now about George W Bush. From all I've read, seen over the past say three years, the man is probably the most hated man in the world. How the hell did he become President then? Who voted? If he's so incredibly stupid, why did you vote him there in the first place? Has he done anything right? There's just no respect for the man.
That's a question a lot in the US, and even more outside are asking for years now, even more so since 2004.

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Why aren't Bush or Kerry running for president again (okay, Bush wouldn't get in, obviously), but are they not allowed to run again??
Kerry wouldn't have a chance, but he would be allowed to run again.
In the US every president is only allowed to serve two terms, and Bush finally is completing his second term this year. Hence, he isn't running again.

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And a reply to the above, as well! How do you all know that everything will go swimmingly once Bush leaves office? You can't predict the future.
AchtungBono is pretty much sold on Bush, and Stronghold certainly would disagree with you that he can't predict the future.
As far as I know so far every candidate has admitted that a withdrawal from Iraq will take time and no one is going to leave Iraq without making sure to at least having done the best job possible to restore some stability in Iraq.
But some of the Republicans that support Bush so staunchly are pretty much dead set on the view that he is the only one to "get the job done" over there, and that the Democrats will turn it into a disaster (as if this was still possible).

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It's all very confusing when you're in a country where we have about five parties, of which only two can produce our Prime Minister, and the race is between only two men.
I agree, it's really a lot different in Australia and Germany and from here the US system really looks like a science of itself.

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The man who was just booted out of office, John Howard, was disliked by people across Australia, but was never so abhorred.
Oh yes, I realized that when I was in Australia. He was pretty much kissing Bush's ass all the time, and I think that was some of the rather nice things I heard people saying. But respect for his ability and knowledge certainly was greater.
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Thank you very, very much Vincent, for taking the time out, that explains a lot.

Just one or two more...

So the primaries are designed for potential voters to vote for who they would like to run for president, and then whoever wins these primaries is then the respective parties' hope in the national election. Correct?

When was the last time a Republican was in power? And to which party does Bush belong?

Only two terms? So if there's a president who has done a tremendous job, is it a case of "well done, but bad luck you're out?"

And yes, Howard's continual ass-kissing had grated many Australians for months and years on end.

Thanks once again!
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Thank you very, very much Vincent, for taking the time out, that explains a lot.

Just one or two more... OR THREE.

So the primaries are designed for potential voters to vote for who they would like to run for president, and then whoever wins these primaries is then the respective parties' hope in the national election. Correct? YES.

When was the last time a Republican was in power? And to which party does Bush belong? W IS A REPUBLICAN.

Only two terms? So if there's a president who has done a tremendous job, is it a case of "well done, but bad luck you're out?" YEP.
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Primaries and caucusses are held in all 50 states except Hawaii.
No, Hawai'i has a caucus. All states have either a primary or a caucus. Washington DC, American Samoa, Guam, Puerto Rico, and the US Virgin Islands also have primaries. Only the Northern Marianas Islands (where maycocksean lives, unfortunately for him where elections are concerned) don't get to vote.
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How come the Northern Marianas get left out?

I did notice that there is some Democrats Aboard that sends a number of delegates (if memory serves correctly, 11?).
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