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Old 02-21-2006, 07:40 AM   #21
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And Rudy Galindo acts like a bitter queen
lol, I've always liked Rudy's skating but I guess he needed/wanted some publicity

I agree w/ what BonosSaint said, his orientation took over everything and he became a parody of sorts. It's kind of sad actually, just as his comments about Johnny are sad too.
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Going shopping with Johnny

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...101861_pf.html

"TURIN, Italy -- Olympic figure skater Johnny Weir has been out shopping every day, shopping so much that the Louis Vuitton store here, which he affectionately calls "Louie" and which he's visited six or seven times since arriving two weeks ago, paid for his cab recently when he was leaving.

" 'Cause I'm nice," he explains.

Because he's nice, or because he drops a lot of money?

"Well, both," he says.

He is nice. And charming. And so thin he buys children's sizes when he shops at Lacoste. And loaded down with money from skating shows like "Champions on Ice." And great at getting discounts. And capable of spending $1,330 in two hours, which is what he did Monday on his daily shopping trip.

He knows the staff in the high-end stores of central Turin. He knows who's having sales and who moved around their merchandise in the few days since he was last in the store. It's a rush to watch him spend -- reckless and freeing, like shooting tequila in the morning.

"I like to shop," Johnny says.

So far, Weir, 21, who came in fifth in the men's figure skating competition for the U.S. team last week (but first in matters of beauty and brashness), has bought the following items here: five pairs of shoes, a pair of rabbit fur hand warmers, a Dolce & Gabbana hoodie he says reads "Sex trainer: Best to practice seven days a week," and a sable scarf that was supposed to be $715 but was instead $415 because he spoke French with the saleslady.

Ah, the fabulousness that is Johnny Weir! The fur collars! The special deals! His absolute favorite item of clothing is a Roberto Cavalli beaver-and-python coat. He is also proud that the "Louie" in Boston "pre-sold me a bag before it was allowed to be released," he says. "I'm the first person in the entire world to have this bag."

Before starting the day's shopping, he meets us for cappuccino at a cafe near the Olympic Village wearing the aforementioned rabbit hand warmers, a Fendi scarf, True Religion jeans, which are his favorite brand ("I like how my butt looks in them"), a black leather coat with some sort of fur collar, and recently purchased red John Galliano sneakers, "new for this season," which were supposed to be $416 but which he got for about $120 because the store's credit card machine was broken, and "I made a scene because I had to walk to an ATM."
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Going shopping with Johnny

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...101861_pf.html

"TURIN, Italy -- Olympic figure skater Johnny Weir has been out shopping every day, shopping so much that the Louis Vuitton store here, which he affectionately calls "Louie" and which he's visited six or seven times since arriving two weeks ago, paid for his cab recently when he was leaving.

" 'Cause I'm nice," he explains.

Because he's nice, or because he drops a lot of money?

"Well, both," he says.

He is nice. And charming. And so thin he buys children's sizes when he shops at Lacoste. And loaded down with money from skating shows like "Champions on Ice." And great at getting discounts. And capable of spending $1,330 in two hours, which is what he did Monday on his daily shopping trip.

He knows the staff in the high-end stores of central Turin. He knows who's having sales and who moved around their merchandise in the few days since he was last in the store. It's a rush to watch him spend -- reckless and freeing, like shooting tequila in the morning.

"I like to shop," Johnny says.

So far, Weir, 21, who came in fifth in the men's figure skating competition for the U.S. team last week (but first in matters of beauty and brashness), has bought the following items here: five pairs of shoes, a pair of rabbit fur hand warmers, a Dolce & Gabbana hoodie he says reads "Sex trainer: Best to practice seven days a week," and a sable scarf that was supposed to be $715 but was instead $415 because he spoke French with the saleslady.

Ah, the fabulousness that is Johnny Weir! The fur collars! The special deals! His absolute favorite item of clothing is a Roberto Cavalli beaver-and-python coat. He is also proud that the "Louie" in Boston "pre-sold me a bag before it was allowed to be released," he says. "I'm the first person in the entire world to have this bag."

Before starting the day's shopping, he meets us for cappuccino at a cafe near the Olympic Village wearing the aforementioned rabbit hand warmers, a Fendi scarf, True Religion jeans, which are his favorite brand ("I like how my butt looks in them"), a black leather coat with some sort of fur collar, and recently purchased red John Galliano sneakers, "new for this season," which were supposed to be $416 but which he got for about $120 because the store's credit card machine was broken, and "I made a scene because I had to walk to an ATM."


wow, he might have even better taste than Pope Benedict!
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wow, he might have even better taste than Pope Benedict!
And, yet, their similarities seem to end there...



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like soooo totally gay!!
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having read the whole article, though, it seems as if the writer was out to prove johnny's essential gayness through his expensive taste in coture. i lost count of how many times the designer, the price, or both, of an item was mentioned.

i bet if anyone wrote an article as entrenched and immersed in stereotypically black or jewish behavior about a black or jewish athlete, there'd be a big problem. and perhaps rightly so.

it's hard -- you want to have a sense of humor and irony, and irony is something gay men tend to do well.

but i find something really off-putting about his over-the-top-ness ... kind of like when i'm in europe and i happen to see an american behaving badly, you want to say, "stop! you're just making it worse!"

he's also not my type at all. i'm not much for twinkahol.

this then leads back to my original intent with this post -- if he's so flamboyant, and in sport dominated by gay men, and gay judges, why can he still not be officially out?
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having read the whole article, though, it seems as if the writer was out to prove johnny's essential gayness through his expensive taste in coture. i lost count of how many times the designer, the price, or both, of an item was mentioned.

i bet if anyone wrote an article as entrenched and immersed in stereotypically black or jewish behavior about a black or jewish athlete, there'd be a big problem. and perhaps rightly so.

I thought the same thing when I read it

The sport might be dominated by gay men, but it is still barely spoken about. It is a very traditional world and I think perhaps they're still afraid on some level of turning off a certain element of the audience, my belief is that most people wouldn't give a damn.Ultimately it's his choice whether to be officially out or not, maybe if he wanted to he would be, I don't know.
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this then leads back to my original intent with this post -- if he's so flamboyant, and in sport dominated by gay men, and gay judges, why can he still not be officially out?
I guess this touches on the topic discussed in another thread - is "outing" a matter for the individual, or another group?
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I guess this touches on the topic discussed in another thread - is "outing" a matter for the individual, or another group?
It should be for the individual. Another skater, Brian Orser, really wasn't given a choice. The media spilled the beans for him and it caused him alot of pain.
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It should be for the individual. Another skater, Brian Orser, really wasn't given a choice. The media spilled the beans for him and it caused him alot of pain.
Some good discussion in this thread
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I guess this touches on the topic discussed in another thread - is "outing" a matter for the individual, or another group?


i think this misses the issue -- Johnny has outed himself in every way but in name itself. i think he still can't say, "yes, obviously i'm gay" because there will still be significant costs to that, both in the possibility of endorsements and in scores received by judges.

i don't think johnny really has a choice here.
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i think this misses the issue -- Johnny has outed himself in every way but in name itself.
I think I missed the actions that would be considered "outing".
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I think I missed the actions that would be considered "outing".


just read the article Mrs. S. posted.

why is everyone asking about his sexuality?

why is Rudy Galindo, the only "out" US figure skater, asking reporters to ask him about his sexuality?

why does he say he's dating a wonderful "someone"?



this is a fairly obvious example of how one "says" that they're gay without coming out and actually saying that they're gay. i remember when i was in the process of coming out, i didn't want to be "obvious," but i wanted to let other gay men know that i might be available, so i was obsessed with finding "gay shoes" -- shoes that are popular with gay men, but might not be obviously gay to the casual observer, yet any gay person would read those shoes and know that someone is trying to send out a message. this is where we get into Queer Theory and Queer Readings of literature -- and the point i think i'm trying to make is that now, post-Queer Eye, everything that has been written about and said by Johnny is fairly easy to understand as "gay" -- yet he's not allowed to say the word, still.
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I don't know if it's real but the MySpace profile that purports to be Johnny's says he is bisexual. I don't think many of the celeb ones are real so I would be skeptical of that.

Yes athletes do still have to be "closeted" because of endorsements and some elements of public opinion. More so in the traditional sports but even in figure skating. I'd hate to think judging would be affected in any way, maybe subconsciously or if the judges were actually bigoted in that way.

Is it that he's not allowed to say the word or is he being intentionally vague because he truly doesn't believe it's anyone's business? Maybe a combination of both, I don't know.
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Rudy came out a long time ago, before he won Nationals. There was a great deal of speculation that that might have hurt him with the judges, which was really dumb, but it was just like ISU judges, of whom I don't have a high opinion. They finally let up, and when he turned in a flawless performance and Todd messed up, they had to give it to him.
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this is a fairly obvious example of how one "says" that they're gay without coming out and actually saying that they're gay. i remember when i was in the process of coming out, i didn't want to be "obvious," but i wanted to let other gay men know that i might be available, so i was obsessed with finding "gay shoes" -- shoes that are popular with gay men, but might not be obviously gay to the casual observer, yet any gay person would read those shoes and know that someone is trying to send out a message. this is where we get into Queer Theory and Queer Readings of literature -- and the point i think i'm trying to make is that now, post-Queer Eye, everything that has been written about and said by Johnny is fairly easy to understand as "gay" -- yet he's not allowed to say the word, still.
This creates somewhat of a dilema when the "outing" activity can otherwise be labeled a behavioral "stereotype" - something I would think should be avoided. I need to think some more about this.
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This creates somewhat of a dilema when the "outing" activity can otherwise be labeled a behavioral "stereotype" - something I would think should be avoided. I need to think some more about this.


very interesting.

it seems that how the inability for someone to come "out" without suffering consequences leads them to perform stereotypical behavior in order to be read as gay -- perhaps akin to hip-hop artist having to prove something, generally to white suburban kids, about "street cred" -- which ultilmately reinforces existing stereotypes.

had never thought about that before.

it's as if there needs to be someone so beloved, so "acceptable" to a mainstream audience to come out in whatever field or profession in order to open doors for others.

yet, you'd probably get grief from elements in the gay community for being a "sellout" -- you've heard of an Uncle Tom? in gay circles, you'd call someone an "Auntie Tom."

interesting how these templates replicate themselves within different groups of certain minority status.

you're right, lots to think about.
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NG5RHDJ491.DTL

"The Chicago Tribune even queried former Olympic skater Rudy Galindo, who is gay, about Weir's orientation, with Tribune writer David Haugh noting that "Galindo still wishes somebody in the media would be brazen enough to simply ask Weir" about it.

Galindo was quoted as saying, in part, "Why is everybody asking him about his 'style' and not just ask him if he's gay?"

To Rudy, I say thank you. I couldn't agree with you more.

And to writer Haugh and his use of the term "brazen," I ask: Why is it brazen to ask whether someone is lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender when we, as journalists, exercise far more abandon when covering the personal endeavors of countless heterosexual boldface names? Last fall, journalist Mubarak Dahir, writing for the Empty Closet Web site, penned a succinct, important piece on the contentious issue of outing.

In discussing its history, Dahir wrote, "Traditionally, outing was used by anti-gay people as a means to ruin a gay person's life. The revelation that someone was homosexual was so horrible, it meant their demise. Today, representatives of 'mainstream' media most frequently do not ask whether or not someone is gay because it is 'personal.' Another often-repeated line is that sexual orientation is 'irrelevant.'

"... By refusing to simply ask whether or not someone is gay perpetuates the notion that answering affirmatively is the ultimate shame," Dahir concluded. "

..As journalists, it is our job to ask questions in the first place. And when we have all of the necessary, relevant information, it is our job to tell, as fairly and accurately as possible. Reporting on sexual orientation and gender identity -- perceived or otherwise, whether in life or postmortem -- should be included and dealt with the same way we approach subjects for such basic information as whether they are married, divorced, single or dating. This is an important part of providing a full measure of an individual's life, one we should stop avoiding.

Journalists must be prepared and willing to raise questions, no matter how difficult they may seem. We hold that responsibility -- even if we think the subject will be cagey or ultimately dismissive in response. And that includes simply asking, without shame or judgment, "Are you gay?"

Eric Hegedus is national president of the 1,300-member National Lesbian & Gay Journalists Association
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What about NBC not mentioning it? Not showing his family and partner when they show the others? He was great, one of the best performances I've seen in these Olympics.



Saturday, Aug 23, 2008 5:02 pm EDT

Openly gay diver wins gold

By Maggie Hendricks

Diver Matthew Mitcham, the only openly gay male athlete in the Beijing Olympics, won gold in the 10m platform. He beat Chinese favorite Zhou Luxin by 4.8 points, preventing China from sweeping gold in diving events. Mitcham is the first Aussie to win diving gold since 1924, but that's not the only thing that makes him a trailblazer.

He is hardly the first gay athlete to compete but he is one of the first to be out while competing. American diver Greg Louganis did not share his orientation until his diving career was over. To Mitcham, he is just living his life as a gay man and as a diver, and there is nothing extraordinary about that:

“Being gay and diving are completely separate parts of my life. Of course there’s going to be crossover because some people have issues, but everyone I dive with has been so supportive."

Though he wants to be known as more than a gay man, the LGBT community is proud of their star. At OutSports, a sports Web site that focuses on the gay community, his win is front-page news. The Web site brings up a good question -- will NBC mention Mitcham's orientation during tonight's broadcast?

To Mitcham, that doesn't seem to matter. He has gold, and has reached his goals: "I’m happy with myself and where I am. I’m very happy with who I am and what I’ve done.”

UPDATE: NBC did not mention Mitcham's orientation, nor did they show his family and partner who were in the stands. NBC has made athletes' significant others a part of the coverage in the past, choosing to spotlight track athlete Sanya Richards' fiancee, a love triangle between French and Italian swimmers and Kerri Walsh's wedding ring debacle.

http://outsports.com/olympics2008/20...ams-sexuality/
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