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Old 08-29-2008, 12:43 PM   #81
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Pro-choice women (or men for that fact) are not going to vote for a pro-life ticket that may get to appoint judges, it's not going to happen.
Except that is precisely what they did in 1980, 1984, and 1988! 3 of the largest electoral landslides in history. I can definitely see many pro-choice Catholic women voting for MCain/Palin in Pennsylvania and Ohio.
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I read an interesting point though about Palin somehow vacuuming up women Hillary voters- basically, their hero has been replaced by a younger, more attractive, less qualified substitute. That sounds kind of bad.


interesting!

kind of like McCain's second marriage when he traded in the newly ugly, deformed wife for the hot daughter of a beer baron.
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most women who've lionized a woman running for president are not, at all, anti-choice.

the right to choose has been a central issue in the lives of most feminist women.

So you think Tom Ridge would have been a better choice than Sarah Palin in getting the largest number of Hillary supporters to vote for McCain?
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I've been reading the responses to the news of women who supported Hillary in the election. Most of them have said they are actually insulted that McCain would pick someone transparently as a way to pander to them by putting a woman on the ticket; a woman whose stances and policies run counter to those of the woman they wanted in the White House. Most of them said they're supporting Obama now more than ever. I'm not saying this is necessarily going to lose the election for McCain, but he's deluded if he's thinking he's going to get any Democrats or former Hillary voters with this tactic.
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So you think Tom Ridge would have been a better choice than Sarah Palin in getting the largest number of Hillary supporters to vote for McCain?


i don't think that anyone McCain could have picked is going to win any Hillary supporters.

Palin was a gamble for them. one that i don't believe will work.
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So you think Tom Ridge would have been a better choice than Sarah Palin in getting the largest number of Hillary supporters to vote for McCain?
Absolutely!

I think he would have had a decent chance at picking up some of those women in PA. As it stands, I think PA is lost to McCain.
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Absolutely!

I think he would have had a decent chance at picking up some of those women in PA. As it stands, I think PA is lost to McCain.

I still think Tom Ridge would have been the best choice, but I from a political strategy standpoint, Sarah Palin is better than Romney or Pawlenty.
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deluded is right.. seriously the Hillary supporters are not that foolish to believe that having Palin on the ticket now makes up for it somehow.. jeez.... pandering for their vote more like reaching desperately...
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i don't think that anyone McCain could have picked is going to win any Hillary supporters.

Palin was a gamble for them. one that i don't believe will work.
There are already Hillary supporters who will be supporting McCain this fall regardless of todays choice. The question is, who would bring in more of them, Ridge or Palin?
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deluded is right.. seriously the Hillary supporters are not that foolish to believe that having Palin on the ticket now makes up for it somehow.. jeez.... pandering for their vote more like reaching desperately...
Just a small percentage of them moving over to McCain in a few states could win the election for McCain.
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If we put Mitt Romney and Hillary Clinton next to each other, no one would think "my plan B!" They attract different types of voters. They have different beliefs. Yet put two female politicians together and they're perfect matches.

Black people didn't mindlessly vote for Obama based on his race- they started in Hillary's camp but started breaking for Obama over the course of the primary season.

Plus Strongbow hasn't shown any evidence that Hillary --> McCain supporters would be any kind of a bloc in the electorate. The PUMA demonstrations this week infamously failed.
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I still think Tom Ridge would have been the best choice, but I from a political strategy standpoint, Sarah Palin is better than Romney or Pawlenty.
I still say Romney would have been the best choice.

This will come down to the economy in the end. McCain's ticket is really thin here and he knows it. I think Romney sounds like a used car salesman, but he's at least credible in this respect.
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Commentary: Is McCain out of his mind?

By Paul Begala
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Editor's note: Paul Begala, a Democratic strategist and CNN political contributor, was a political consultant for Bill Clinton's presidential campaign in 1992 and was counselor to Clinton in the White House. Begala is not a paid political consultant for any politicians or candidates. Click here for a rival view


Paul Begala says McCain's VP choice, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, is completely unqualified to be president.

(CNN) -- John McCain needs what Kinky Friedman calls "a checkup from the neck up."

In choosing Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin to be his running mate he is not thinking "outside the box," as some have said. More like out of his mind.

Palin a first-term governor of a state with more reindeer than people, will have to put on a few pounds just to be a lightweight. Her personal story is impressive: former fisherman, mother of five. But that hardly qualifies her to be a heartbeat away from the presidency.

For a man who is 72 years old and has had four bouts with cancer to have chosen someone so completely unqualified to become president is shockingly irresponsible. Suddenly, McCain's age and health become central issues in the campaign, as does his judgment.

In choosing this featherweight, McCain passed over Tom Ridge, a decorated combat hero, a Cabinet secretary and the former two-term governor of the large, complex state of Pennsylvania.

He passed over Mitt Romney, who ran a big state, Massachusetts; a big company, Bain Capital; and a big event, the Olympics.

He passed over Kay Bailey Hutchison, the Texas senator who is knowledgeable about the military, good on television, and -- obviously -- a woman.


He passed over Joe Lieberman, his best friend in the Senate and fellow Iraq Kool-Aid drinker.

He passed over former congressman, trade negotiator and budget director Rob Portman.

And he also passed over Mike Huckabee, the governor of Arkansas.

For months, the McCainiacs have said they will run on his judgment and experience. In his first presidential decision, John McCain has shown he is willing to endanger his country, potentially leaving it in the hands of someone who simply has no business being a heartbeat away from the most powerful, complicated, difficult job in human history.


interesting..
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There are already Hillary supporters who will be supporting McCain this fall regardless of todays choice. The question is, who would bring in more of them, Ridge or Palin?


not enough to make any difference, and possibly off-set by those who are going to look at Palin and say, "he really isn't serious, is he."

i think Ridge would have been his best choice.

there was the whole terror alert crap-fest that was used to scare up votes for Bush in 2004, but what killed Ridge was the fact that he's pro-choice.
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I think Romney sounds like a used car salesman, but he's at least credible in this respect.
Fake Plastic Romney even had the hair for it. He's dreamy.
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If we put Mitt Romney and Hillary Clinton next to each other, no one would think "my plan B!" They attract different types of voters. They have different beliefs. Yet put two female politicians together and they're perfect matches.

Black people didn't mindlessly vote for Obama based on his race- they started in Hillary's camp but started breaking for Obama over the course of the primary season.

Plus Strongbow hasn't shown any evidence that Hillary --> McCain supporters would be any kind of a bloc in the electorate. The PUMA demonstrations this week infamously failed.

Strongbow thinks that Iraq and Afghanistan are the same country.

why wouldn't he think that Palin and HRC are the same as well?
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Besides being pro-choice, are there anything that would have disqualified Tom Ridge? His resume sounds moderately impressive.
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This will come down to the economy in the end. McCain's ticket is really thin here
And Obama's isn't?
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Besides being pro-choice, are there anything that would have disqualified Tom Ridge? His resume sounds moderately impressive.
a member of the Bush administration wouldn't fly too well.
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And Obama's isn't?
One wants to continue to feed the rich, one wants to feed the middle class... you tell me.
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