Oh My God...McCain could win if he picks Palin!!!

[deep]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

my guess is that Palin is going to step down before the end of the week.

right now

I'd give odds

5-1

she will not

[U2isthebest]

Originally Posted by indra

I'm pretty sure that MadelynIris feels the experience of fighting in a war is beneficial in addition to other experience (in John McCain's case, 25 years being a member of the US Congress), not that military experience alone makes a candidate qualified to be president.

McCain IS qualified to be president -- I seriously question the intellectual capabilities of anyone who says he isn't. Personally I don't like McCain's stances on many issues, nor do I like the Republican Party's platform, so I won't be voting for him, but I won't deny he is qualified to be president.

I never said he wasn't "qualified" to be president either. I, as you, simply disagree completely with his stances on the issues and policy goals. However, serving in a war is not a qualification for president, at all. We've had excellent presidents who served in the military, and excellent ones who did not. We've had terrible presidents who served in the military and terrible ones who did not. It's one's ability to govern and understand and implement policy for every issue facing our country that means one is qualified to president.

[Irvine511]

don't look now, but it appears that Palin has her own Rev. Wright.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by deep

right now

I'd give odds

5-1

she will not

the Rep's are trying to make Obama's running mate the New York Times.

maybe they think this will work.

[deep]

Originally Posted by U2isthebest

. We've had excellent presidents who served in the military, and excellent ones who did not. We've had terrible presidents who served in the military and terrible ones who did not.
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Your information previously posted on FDR is a little misleading.

He attempted to join the Navy during the Spanish American War but was unable as he contracted measles. He served as Assistant Secretary of the Navy from 1913 and through World War I; when the U.S. entered the war in 1917 he offered his resignation so that he could apply for a commission in the Navy, but was refused by the President.

[U2isthebest]

Originally Posted by deep

Your information previously posted on FDR is a little misleading.

He attempted to join the Navy during the Spanish American War but was unable as he contracted measles. He served as Assistant Secretary of the Navy from 1913 and through World War I; when the U.S. entered the war in 1917 he offered his resignation so that he could apply for a commission in the Navy, but was refused by the President.

I was aware of that.He didn't serve in the military, though, and I believe that's what MadelynIris was referring to.

[zonelistener]

Now that "Life Happens" is the mantra of the Republican Party, I would LOVE to see a thread of quotes/statements over the past eight years that refute the whole "Life Happens" statement.

[U2isthebest]

Originally Posted by zonelistener

Now that "Life Happens" is the mantra of the Republican Party, I would LOVE to see a thread of quotes/statements over the past eight years that refute the whole "Life Happens" statement.

It's their version of "Shit Happens", which of course is their way of trying to shirk responsibility for the disasters of the past 8 years.

[indra]

Originally Posted by U2isthebest

I never said he wasn't "qualified" to be president either. I, as you, simply disagree completely with his stances on the issues and policy goals. However, serving in a war is not a qualification for president, at all. We've had excellent presidents who served in the military, and excellent ones who did not. We've had terrible presidents who served in the military and terrible ones who did not. It's one's ability to govern and understand and implement policy for every issue facing our country that means one is qualified to president.

Every experience makes a person who they are. How you know John McCain's war service didn't shape him in ways that make him more qualified to be President than he would have been without it? But you seem to be pushing the idea that it never helps make someone more qualified, and I feel that, for the right person, it can. Not every community activist is qualified to be President either, but that is being touted by Obama and his supporters as part of his qualifications.

I think you need to stop looking at this in such black and white terms. We ALL know not everyone who serves in a war is qualified to be President, but we aren't discussing everyone, we are discussing McCain, and it is very possible that his service has made him more able to do the job than he would be if he had never served.

[U2isthebest]

Originally Posted by indra

Every experience makes a person who they are. How you know John McCain's war service didn't shape him in ways that make him more qualified to be President than he would have been without it? But you seem to be pushing the idea that it never helps make someone more qualified, and I feel that, for the right person, it can. Not every community activist is qualified to be President either, but that is being touted by Obama and his supporters as part of his qualifications.

I think you need to stop looking at this in such black and white terms. We ALL know not everyone who serves in a war is qualified to be President, but we aren't discussing everyone, we are discussing McCain, and it is very possible that his service has made him more able to do the job than he would be if he had never served.

I don't feel it does. I'm sure being a POW shaped part of who he is. That doesn't mean it should be an explanation of why he should be president. One has nothing to do with the other. And for the record, I don't feel Obama's experience as a community organizer makes him qualified to be president either.

[Se7en]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

don't look now, but it appears that Palin has her own Rev. Wright.

"Judgment is very real and we see it played out on the pages of the newspapers and on the television. It's very real. When [Brickner's son] was in Jerusalem he was there to witness some of that judgment, some of that conflict, when a Palestinian from East Jerusalem took a bulldozer and went plowing through a score of cars, killing numbers of people. Judgment — you can't miss it."

oh golly.

[deep]

Originally Posted by U2isthebest

I was aware of that.He didn't serve in the military, though, and I believe that's what MadelynIris was referring to.

Do you think if Obama served as Assistant Secretary of the Navy for 6 years,

anyone would question if he was ready to be Commander and Chief ???

[indra]

Originally Posted by Harry Vest

Sorry pal, it's obviously you that haven't been reading properly. What's going to tear the Dems apart is this constant nagging and bickering about Palin and her daughters prenancy - this is hypocritical in exactly the same way if the page was turned and it was Obama's daughter the Republican's would have a field day with it - having said that, what I'm getting from watching many Democrats bickering on news talk shows is that the majority of folks watching are going to be turned off the Democrats because of this. They are going to side with the underdog (Palin) and fight the bullly (The Democrats)...maybe McCain is smarter than everyone thinks and knew this is exactly what would happen. Or maybe not. But I'm really beginning to wonder from the majority of reactions from the "left" on such a non-issue as some teen girl getting knocked up. Let it go already. Before it bites you where it hurts.

I gotta agree with you Harry. It is despicable. Now not only are Democrats damned near incompetent, they are also vicious jerks. Oh joy.

(the whole Palin mess is still your fault though. )

[U2isthebest]

Originally Posted by deep

Do you think if Obama served as Assistant Secretary of the Navy for 6 years,

anyone would question if he was ready to be Commander and Chief ???

Obama didn't serve as Assistant Secretary of the Navy for 6 years, so I'm not sure why it matters. And yes, I'm sure there would be plenty of people questioning if he was ready to be president. The argument then would probably be, "sure, he might have some national security experience, but what does he know about the economy...etc?"

[Se7en]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

don't look now, but it appears that Palin has her own Rev. Wright.

Palin's Church May Have Shaped Controversial Worldview

god's will be done... to get a pipeline built? interesting choice of words i have to say.

@ about the 4:20 mark

[melon]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

don't look now, but it appears that Palin has her own Rev. Wright.

Except Palin is white, and there's no shortage of wacky white pastors. The only reason Rev. Wright was an issue was because of white phobias about "angry blacks"--e.g., racism.

Instead, Palin's pastor will be more likely embraced as part of the illustrious group of nutty white pastors that form the power center of the "Religious Right," rather than condemned as a lunatic like Rev. Wright.

[Harry Vest]

Originally Posted by 2861U2

I've encountered that rumor/prediction a couple times today on various sites. Unfortunately, I think it is certainly possible, and I wouldn't toss that guess aside too quickly.

Again, being more of a believer in the Democrats policies this would no doubt be a great thing to occur...however it will not happen!!! No way, no how. O.K., I'll admit this election has had more weird occurances than any other in my memory so for the sake of argument let's say it does happen...if it does then one of two things will happen...
1. The Republican's will lose the election by a landslide
2. The Republican's will lose the election by a small margin

If she leaves the ticket, the Republican party will implode. They will not allow this to happen...unless this is part of some master plan for 2012...but let's not get into that conspiracy theory for at least a few years.

[Harry Vest]

[indra]

Originally Posted by U2isthebest

I don't feel it does. I'm sure being a POW shaped part of who he is. That doesn't mean it should be an explanation of why he should be president. One has nothing to do with the other. And for the record, I don't feel Obama's experience as a community organizer makes him qualified to be president either.

So what makes Obama qualified to be President? Are any of them related to his life experiences?

[anitram]

From personal experience, I can tell you that when people live through war - and I mean war in the streets where women and children are dying, when it ends, they seem to have one of two views. Some become gung-ho about war and are quick to go back to war. A lot of the time they do it not out of malice but because they think their position is principled. Others become completely or very anti-war.

McCain makes me very VERY uncomfortable because he reminds me of people in the first category and I belong in the second. So his POW experiences sure did shape who he became, but I don't like his foreign policy one bit, so that I don't particularly see this as some kind of virtue.

I am sure other people do.