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Old 08-30-2008, 01:55 PM   #381
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Well, the full poll numbers that include Obama's last night of the convention are in, and he was not able to increase the 8 point margin he had, and polling on Friday was already starting to show his Thursday numbers being blunted by McCain's Palin announcement.

Obama's bounce, now that polling over the entire convention period is now in, according to Gallup is 8 points, one point less than he was up by at one point in July.

Will have to see in the coming days where this poll numbers go as the news of Palin sets in, and the Republicans start their convention. Obama does not appear to have achieved a break away lead with his convention despite being touted as the greatest in history by some.

Gallup Daily: Obama Continues to Lead 49% to 41%
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I know this wasn't aimed at me, but I'll answer anyway: No. I didn't want Obama to pick Kaine. Or Evan Baye. I WANTED Biden, because Biden is the most qualified of of those who were Obama's VP candidates to be president.
This whole Palin episode has had one very interesting side effect

it has united Dems, GOP, Independents, Newsmedia on the fact that the top of the Democratic ticket has a serious problem with perception of being qualified.



I will concede that if the election were based on the number 2s only,
Biden would get my vote - because he is more qualified, and
I am comfortable with his very public record of years of service in the Senate.
One would know what to expect.
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Obama's bounce, now that polling over the entire convention period is now in, according to Gallup is 8 points, one point less than he was up by at one point in July.
It's actually 10 points since he was polling 2 below right before the convention.
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Do you really think McCain would pick up more women
I don't know if he his trying to pick up women these days,

but, I heard his best line was,
"Did you know I was a POW for 5 and 1/2 years?"
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It's actually 10 points since he was polling 2 below right before the convention.
But only 5 points more than the average lead of 3 points that he has had all summer long. Its technically possible to lose the election even if your up in the popular vote by 3 percentage points.
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What are you talking about? Biden is the third most liberal senator in the country. Obama completely abandoned his "change" facade to pick someone who is been in the senate for 36 years. As someone on TV said the other day, Obama flinched in his first big decision. He should have gone with a governor, not someone who is part of the problem. How was he being "thoughtful?"

McCain did what McCain does. Think outside the box, pick someone few people expected, who has bucked her own party, something I have seen none of from Obama or Biden.
You really have got to stop thinking about things in such simple terms.

While I don't know if I would agree on the description of Joe Biden as "centrist", all of the other adjectives Irvine used to describe Obama's choice of Biden were 100% accurate.

Understand this: Just because the guy has been in the Senate for 35 years DOES NOT mean that he isn't on board with Obama's message of change. When you make the argument that Obama 'abandoned' his message of change my picking Biden, you demonstrate a clear lack of understanding of what the message really is. It's like you're saying 'change=young' and therefore, 'picking someone who isn't young = no change'. That is a simplistic way of thinking. When Obama speaks of change, he is speaking of a different kind of politics where race and gender don't play as big of a role, where patriotism isn't measured by superficial things like whether you wear a flag pin or not or how little you question the government, where an election can be won without attacking your opponent's character and resorting to unethical means to do so, where we as a nation can feel hopeful instead of cynical, etc. This is aside from any policy stuff. Biden shares the philosophy on ALL of this. You don't have to pick a young person or a woman to keep your message of change, that is simplistic thinking.

He did not flinch at all. He was thoughtful in the regard that he easily could have picked Baye or Kaine and gotten votes not only from more independents because both of them are not as liberal as Biden, but gotten votes from Indiana/Ohio(Baye) or Virginia(Kaine), but instead he chose Biden, and one of the two MAIN reasons he gave for his pick before the pick was even announced was that he picked someone who is READY TO BE PRESIDENT.

McCain did not think outside the box. Seeing as how he only met the woman once and talked to her on the phone one time after that, it doesn't seem like he did much thinking here at all.

Oh, and Palin hasn't bucked her party on any of the big issues. As far as I can see, she'll support the war, she'll support overturning Roe v. Wade, she'll support oil-drilling rather than going down the road of alternate energy, etc etc. I don't see where she's bucking her party.
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and it is possible to lose the election by 500,000+ votes and get a questionable (one time only ruling ) Supreme Court opinion.
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Obama chose Biden, and one of the two MAIN reasons he gave for his pick before the pick was even announced was that he picked someone who is READY TO BE PRESIDENT.

and this is important because there are so many that question if Obama is ready.

And the other main reason?

Foreign policy experience/ credibility?

since Biden has been to Iraq, numerous times in the last four years.
while Obama chose not to go ?
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mmmm, positive reviews from 63% of unaffiliated voters. Thats the voting block to watch in the coming days.
Plus these PUMA voters on a Pro Hilary website are speaking favorably about Sarah.

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/d...ad.php?t=26382

If Sarah only picks up 25%-33% of Hilary's 18 million it's a net win for Johnny Mac, and she'll be all over the weekend shows plus the GOP convention this week.

Dems, your ship has hit an iceberg, you shouldn't have snubbed Hil; a scorn woman is now your albatross and the beginning of your demise for 2008.

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One other *important* thing you guys are choosing to ignore.
Sarah cleaned up corruption in Alaska, opposed BIG OIL and took on CORRUPT REPUBLICANS.

When has Obummer or Biden ever publicly took on CORRUPT democrats?

Sarah is her own lady.

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Just like McCain would never be able to win the Republican nomination right? He was DONE right?
What are you talking about, did I allude to that at all?

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I believe I did answer, but if you didn't see it, she is from outside Washington, further outside Washington than any candidate for the office has ever been. Independents are likely to love that. Democratic strategist have already acknowledged that Obama is having difficulty picking up segments of Hillary Clinton's voting block.

Who do you think Reagan Democrats in Western Pennsylvania, Ohio, and West Virginia have more in common with, Joe Biden, Barack Obama, John McCain, or Sarah Palin?

I honestly cannot see Pawlenty or Romney picking up more independents or Democrats for McCain than Sarah Palin can. Unless you can show that this hurts McCain with the Republican base, then its going to be a net positive for McCain.

But will find out soon enough, so I would be careful with your predictions.
I admitted she may attract Reagan Democrats if they vote fiscally only, but I think McCain already had those type of voters.

SHE WILL NOT WIN OVER HILLARY SUPPORTERS BECAUSE SHE'S A WOMAN. Why can't you figure that out?

I'm not convinced, and I honestly believe most of you aren't either that she's really going to bring over some new votes. She secured part of the base, that's it.
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Hillary's gals would no more vote for Palin than Palin's girls would vote for Hillary....

Why must we treat people like they are stupid and have not thought about the issues????

Oh, and Ten bucks says there is a Hillary supporter speaking at the Republican Convention this week.......
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Hillary's gals would no more vote for Palin than Palin's girls would vote for Hillary....

Why must we treat people like they are stupid and have not thought about the issues????
Exactly, I think it's really telling how it's usually the "men" saying she's going to win the women vote.

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Oh, and Ten bucks says there is a Hillary supporter speaking at the Republican Convention this week.......
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Hillary's gals would no more vote for Palin than Palin's girls would vote for Hillary....
True, if you frame it that way.


Here is Orange County CA (population over 3 million, that is more than probably 4 states, and we don't have our own Senator) , we just got our first woman Sheriff.

I don't think women care if she is a Dem or Republican. The glass ceiling has been broken.

One very huge factor for me in considering voting for Obama, is that I would like to see the color barrier broken, once and for all.

I do believe there are some of these Hillary supporters that will want the glass ceiling broken.


And if one looks into Palin, they will see that she has a good chunk of the GOP establishment (in Alaska) against her.
She also has appointed Democrats, Independents and she is only able to move legislation by getting support from Democrats.

What Senator does that remind you of?
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I do believe there are some of these Hillary supporters that will want the glass ceiling broken.
Even if it means voting for someone who is anti-choice, creationist, etc? Someone who is the complete opposite of their original candidate?

Then why the hell didn't they just register Republican in the first place?
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Even if it means voting for someone who is anti-choice, creationist, etc? Someone who is the complete opposite of their original candidate?

Then why the hell didn't they just register Republican in the first place?

If one is only looking at this through partisan eyes than your statement makes sense.

If one is only looking at this through 'glass ceiling being broken" than a female V P does that.

Does anyone deny that when Elizabeth Dole got elected to the Senate from a Southern State it was not an accomplishment for women?


another thing to consider,

we have many Black Conservatives that are supporting Obama, why?

they say to break the color barrier.
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Can I skip reading this entire thread and just say... (and from what I've heard in the last day...)

Palin is apparently the governor of a state that has about 600,000. How many years "experience" has she had? Didn't she state she didn't even know what the VP actually does on a day to day basis. And if something happens to McCain, she's next in command? I DON'T THINK SO!

(Watch Bill Maher, it was really good last night!)
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Can I skip reading this entire thread and just say...

anytime,

that is the preferred method of quite a few

( they do seem to read and reread their own posts, though )
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"This isn't a presidential campaign, it's a sitcom: The Maverick And The Milf"

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