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Old 09-23-2007, 02:12 PM   #1001
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Diamond's point, I believe was to compare Hilary Clinton's achievements unfavorably to Margaret Thatcher's.

Can you explain why you consider this to be a double standard? Can you explain why you consider this to be sexist?
Diamond's point, the entire time, has been to belittle her as a bad person to thinly veil his hatred of her politics and his sexism. He's tried to make something out of nothing many times, and has called her a shrew and commented an unreasonable amount on Bill Clinton. He always preaches religion and forgiveness but thinks her forgiveness of Bill is ridiculous (double standard).

The bottom line is that he dislikes her politics. He's not an outright sexist but makes too many sexist comments in the course of an average thread.
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Old 09-23-2007, 02:22 PM   #1002
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What would have been so terrible if the trade unions had had success?
In my opinion, whilst trade unions should certainly be permitted, it is dangerous if they are allowed too much power.


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Any proof of this happening?

These are not rhetorical questions.
Yep. Plenty of proof.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militant_tendency

Militant Tendency:-

"In 1972, the Militant tendency won a resolution at Labour Party conference which committed the next Labour government to introduce "a socialist plan of production based on public ownership"[2]. In 1975, it came into the public eye through a Labour Party report giving evidence for its entrist tactics and a number of press exposés which followed. Between 1975 and 1980, attempts by Reginald Underhill and others within the leadership of the Labour Party to expel the Militant were rejected by the Labour Party's National Executive Committee, which appointed a Militant member to the position of National Youth Organiser in 1976[3]."

...Demands for nationalisation
At the 1972 Labour Party national conference a resolution moved and seconded by well known, long standing Militant tendency supporters, Pat Wall and Ray Apps, was passed by 3,501,000 votes to 2,497,000. [66]It demanded that the Labour government commit itself to enacting "an enabling bill to secure the public ownership of the major monopolies". The conference agreed to call on the Labour Party executive to

“ formulate a socialist plan of production based on public ownership, with minimum compensation, of the commanding heights of the economy. [67] ”

"Militant supporter Pat Wall declared: "No power on earth can stop the organised labour movement!" and "called for Labour to win the workers to a programme of taking power by taking over the 350 monopolies which controlled 85 per cent of the economy." The Militant newspaper commented "This is an answer to those who argue for a slow, gradual, almost imperceptible progress towards nationalisation."[68]"

Derek 'Degsy' Hatton:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Hatton

"Hatton championed the Militant tendency policy that the council should declare an illegal "deficit budget" and claim back £30 million "stolen" by central government. Once adopted by the Liverpool District Labour Party and a broad coalition of 49 councillors on the Liverpool city council (reduced to 47 by the deaths of two councillors), this policy catapulted Hatton and the city council into media attention and conflict with the Conservative led central government.

Hatton was expelled from the Labour Party in 1986 for belonging to the Militant tendency, which Hatton argued was a legitimate Marxist organisation within the Labour Party, but the National Executive Committee of the party voted to expel Hatton by 12 votes to 6"
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In my opinion, whilst trade unions should certainly be permitted, it is dangerous if they are allowed too much power.

You proved you other point well, but why would uniuons be any more dangerous than corporations with too much power?
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You proved you other point well, but why would uniuons be any more dangerous than corporations with too much power?
Corporations with too much power are indeed more dangerous than unions. I've never suggested otherwise.
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