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Old 08-09-2007, 11:16 AM   #561
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Not to mention that tt's a very controversial topic and his answer or how he went about coming to his answer would speak to his thought process/even whether he sticks to the presumption of innocence before guilt.
No way is it a valid question.

And the way he answered it, I think in a way does say, "well I don't know all the details yet", which goes along your innocence before guilt issue.

But the point is, anyone who equates this to "and he wants to run our country?" is just biasly reaching and doesn't know what they are talking about.
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I don't think it's that cut and dry. Inviting Bonds to the White House is a means of honoring of him. Most of the pro and college sports teams get a day at the White House to celebrate their accomplishments. Major League Baseball couldn't even figure out a way to honor him with all of the allegations flying around. He is the new home king, the most sacred record in sports, but potentially lied to a grand jury in addition to all of the steroid talk. Do you honor the guy based on what he accomplished regardless of the allegations or do you not honor before his actually guilty of anything?
i see what you're saying. but i mean really, how many liars get to pass through the white house doors? hell bush and cheney are guilty of nasty lies themselves, and congress is letting them stay there instead of holding them accountable for their lies.
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Yes, in the grand scheme of things, Bonds walking through the door would rank low on the list of sleezebags ever to graze the White House. I agree with you all the way on that.
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No way is it a valid question.

And the way he answered it, I think in a way does say, "well I don't know all the details yet", which goes along your innocence before guilt issue.

But the point is, anyone who equates this to "and he wants to run our country?" is just biasly reaching and doesn't know what they are talking about.
How is it not a valid question?
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Old 08-09-2007, 11:36 AM   #565
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How is it not a valid question?
I was just about to ask that.

Again, it was a simple question, and he had to be asked twice. He failed in every aspect of answering that question. He is showing his inexperience and he is afraid to upset potential supporters.

Ultimately though, I dont think it matters. He is done as a serious candidate. It looks like Mrs. Bill Clinton will get the nomination easily.
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Old 08-09-2007, 11:39 AM   #566
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How is it not a valid question?
One for the pure fact that his "innocence" is still in question. It's like asking, "do you think OJ did it?" How would that be valid to ask a President?

Secondly, how many criminals walk in and out of the WH doors? No one seems to care. If no one cares, why is it a valid question?
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One for the pure fact that his "innocence" is still in question. It's like asking, "do you think OJ did it?" How would that be valid to ask a President?

Secondly, how many criminals walk in and out of the WH doors? No one seems to care. If no one cares, why is it a valid question?


Asking if OJ did it is a terrible analogy because it played out in the courts already. He was proven innocent. Enough said. The fact that his innocence is still in doubt is what makes it a valid question. Bond's broke the most historic record in sports. On those grounds alone, it should result in an open invitation to be honored at the white house, but it's all clouded up because of the allegations. Do you honor the act or do you ignore it based on allegations? It sure is a pretty valid question.


People may not care about liars entering the White House, but they care about the Bonds issue. It's not like this is some minor event. Bonds is one of the most polarizing figures in this country today.
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He's afraid to say something wrong or unpopular. It makes me wonder if the man has any true, earnest beliefs. He did not demonstrate what a good politician looks like, and that might be why he is losing ground daily to Clinton.
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He's afraid to say something wrong or unpopular. It makes me wonder if the man has any true, earnest beliefs.
At least on this matter he comes across as a spineless wimp. A lot of people love Barry, a lot of people hate Barry, but hardly anyone is in the middle or can't make up their mind. Grow a sack and make a decision. It's pretty simple.
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He's afraid to say something wrong or unpopular. It makes me wonder if the man has any true, earnest beliefs. He did not demonstrate what a good politician looks like, and that might be why he is losing ground daily to Clinton.
You're reacting as though this is the only question that he, or many other candidates (democrat or republican) avoid answering.

sidenote: anybody else agree that if a candidate runs over their alloted speaking time that it should be deducted from their next response time? i think they should have a total number of seconds for the entire debate. that would get them to shut up and focus on directly answering questions instead of avoiding the issue and going off on their usual soundbytes.

im already tired of politics and the election is so far away.
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Asking if OJ did it is a terrible analogy because it played out in the courts already. He was proven innocent. Enough said. The fact that his innocence is still in doubt is what makes it a valid question. Bond's broke the most historic record in sports. On those grounds alone, it should result in an open invitation to be honored at the white house, but it's all clouded up because of the allegations. Do you honor the act or do you ignore it based on allegations? It sure is a pretty valid question.


People may not care about liars entering the White House, but they care about the Bonds issue. It's not like this is some minor event. Bonds is one of the most polarizing figures in this country today.
Ok, bad analogy, but my point is that OJ innocence is still something people question and talk about.

Saying Bonds is one of the most polarizing figures in this country today is a stretch. Unless you literally mean just today and not current times. I couldn't care less about Bonds, as many others.

Would inviting a rock star that may have done drugs a valid question? Would inviting a moral figure that allegedly had an affair a valid question?

Right now, since there isn't any action in process regarding Bonds allegations, it's a personal issue.

A valid question would be to ask him flat out what do you think should be done about steroid use in sports.
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He's afraid to say something wrong or unpopular. It makes me wonder if the man has any true, earnest beliefs. He did not demonstrate what a good politician looks like, and that might be why he is losing ground daily to Clinton.
This is a load of crap.

So because a man pleas the 5th due to not knowing all the facts, he's spineless?

Get a clue.
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sidenote: anybody else agree that if a candidate runs over their alloted speaking time that it should be deducted from their next response time? i think they should have a total number of seconds for the entire debate. that would get them to shut up and focus on directly answering questions instead of avoiding the issue and going off on their usual soundbytes.

im already tired of politics and the election is so far away.
Brilliant proposal. After their countdown clock hits zero, their microphone gets turned off. Maybe even a trapdoor opens beneath their podium and they are dropped off the stage. We might even get the reality TV audience watching the debates if we threw some giant spiders or crocodiles below the stage.

Seriously though, at least they should turn off the microphone. Either after the total time for the debate finished, or after the minute + brief grace period for each question.

And yeah, I thought this election would be really exciting, but between the fact that I don't like any of the candidates and that it's going to be a way longer primary season than it should be, I'm beyond sick of it already.
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You're reacting as though this is the only question that he, or many other candidates (democrat or republican) avoid answering.

sidenote: anybody else agree that if a candidate runs over their alloted speaking time that it should be deducted from their next response time? i think they should have a total number of seconds for the entire debate. that would get them to shut up and focus on directly answering questions instead of avoiding the issue and going off on their usual soundbytes.

im already tired of politics and the election is so far away.
I agree. I'm planning to pay very little attention to the race until the primaries come along.

The way the presidential "debates" are set up this year is a joke. These arent debates. Real debates barely call for a moderator, much unlike the ones we have seen. Debates are where the candidates talk to each other, not to an audience. These are not presidential debates. These are auditions. This is American Idol, and it needs to change. I'm looking forward to actual debates, once the general election is underway.
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Brilliant proposal. After their countdown clock hits zero, their microphone gets turned off. Maybe even a trapdoor opens beneath their podium and they are dropped off the stage. We might even get the reality TV audience watching the debates if we threw some giant spiders or crocodiles below the stage.
LOL YES!!!!!!! I love it. They should also be surrounded by crabs that are trained to pinch them on command if they go off-topic.
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Why not

for every 15 seconds they go over

they have to remove an article of clothing?
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Why not

for every 15 seconds they go over

they have to remove an article of clothing?


if that's the case i might actually pay more attention to obama in the debates than kucinich.

<--- shallow

dennis still gets my vote though.
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the way this is headed
(you-tube debate, and 38 other niche debates, here and there)


I got to believe
we are only an election cycle or two away from:
"Pants-Off Dance-Off" debate
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That could be an asset for the Dems. We've got folks like Obama and Edwards, whereas the Republicans have...................um I don't even want to think about that
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the way this is headed
(you-tube debate, and 38 other niche debates, here and there)


I got to believe
we are only an election cycle or two away from:
"Pants-Off Dance-Off" debate
I'd run for president that year.
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