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Old 07-19-2007, 05:50 PM   #481
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ETA: NM, the picture showed up. I've seen Nader speak twice...one time in front of an EXTREMELY liberal crowd, and he got booed b/c he cost Gore 2000. The second time I saw him I fell asleep.
I saw him once and he was an excellent speaker.

Only idiots boo him for "costing" Gore. Gore could not win his own state; his supporters have no basis on which to blame Nader. Had Gore won Tennessee, what Nader did or did not do in Florida would have been immaterial. What a lame, lame argument.

And that's not to say I would vote for Nader. I think he's a good activist and a bad politician. But he is a good speaker - he doesn't talk in soundbytes and sounds nothing like a politician. It was a breath of fresh air, to be honest. But then again I find political rallies vomit-inducing.
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MUST we be that anti-corporate? I LIKE Coke.
no way!!! coke gets a from me. it isn't that i'm necessarily anti-corporate EVERYTHING...but, i just can't support coke assassinating union leaders and torturing/kidnapping workers.

i do like jones soda though see? i like some corporations!
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no way!!! coke gets a from me. it isn't that i'm necessarily anti-corporate EVERYTHING...but, i just can't support coke assassinating union leaders and torturing/kidnapping workers.

i do like jones soda though see? i like some corporations!
well. . uh, is it okay, if I only drink it sometimes?

Is that really true? Assasinating, torturing. . .you make them sound like the Bush Admin! Why would they need to do that? They already own the world, practically. At least in terms of soft drink market share. . .

I guess I should just stick to Green Tea with Honey. . .made by the Chinese for the Chinese.

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well. . uh, is it okay, if I only drink it sometimes?

Is that really true? Assasinating, torturing. . .you make them sound like the Bush Admin! Why would they need to do that? They already own the world, practically. At least in terms of soft drink market share. . .

I guess I should just stick to Green Tea with Honey. . .made by the Chinese for the Chinese.

i've no idea, they can't justify that. but i think it has something to do with the crap working conditions. and whenever somebody tries to form a union, or is suspected of such, they stop them short.
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i've no idea, they can't justify that. but i think it has something to do with the crap working conditions. and whenever somebody tries to form a union, or is suspected of such, they stop them short.
Are you sure you don't mean Wal-Mart? I would be more than happy to never drink their cheap imitation Cokes ever, ever again!

(Not that I ever did in the first place. . . .gosh, I'm so off topic. . .)
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Are you sure you don't mean Wal-Mart? I would be more than happy to never drink their cheap imitation Cokes ever, ever again!

(Not that I ever did in the first place. . . .gosh, I'm so off topic. . .)
well walmart does it's own thang.
but i'm definitely sure it is coke. the only reason i remember is this really hot guy came to a conference with the catholic campaign for human development, and he was talking about workers' rights. oh my was he hot. he talked about coke and how corrupt it was. and he was hot. he even gave me a sticker!!! then my roommate accidentally threw it away

i'll never forget
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well walmart does it's own thang.
but i'm definitely sure it is coke. the only reason i remember is this really hot guy came to a conference with the catholic campaign for human development, and he was talking about workers' rights. oh my was he hot. he talked about coke and how corrupt it was. and he was hot. he even gave me a sticker!!! then my roommate accidentally threw it away

i'll never forget
Between you and Yolland tonight, I can't stop grinnin'

Are sure you're like you were sure about the beef?. . .Cuz, I dunno. . .
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Between you and Yolland tonight, I can't stop grinnin'

Are sure you're like you were sure about the beef?. . .Cuz, I dunno. . .
well the difference is the hot guy factor. there weren't any hot guys at mcdonald's. thus resulting in my imaginary letter friends.
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well the difference is the hot guy factor. there weren't any hot guys at mcdonald's. thus resulting in my imaginary letter friends.
See, I'm a bit worried about that hotness. . .

What if he said, "We're winning in Iraq. . ." ya KNOW!
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nobody hot says that! being hot isn't just about looks, it's about the light that shines though when you talk about sexy things like workers' rights.
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nobody hot says that! being hot isn't just about looks, it's about the light that shines though when you talk about sexy things like workers' rights.
Fair enough!
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I saw him once and he was an excellent speaker.

Only idiots boo him for "costing" Gore. Gore could not win his own state; his supporters have no basis on which to blame Nader. Had Gore won Tennessee, what Nader did or did not do in Florida would have been immaterial. What a lame, lame argument.

And that's not to say I would vote for Nader. I think he's a good activist and a bad politician. But he is a good speaker - he doesn't talk in soundbytes and sounds nothing like a politician. It was a breath of fresh air, to be honest. But then again I find political rallies vomit-inducing.
You're right, Gore couldn't win his own home state. He was a lousy campaigner who had trouble winning elections, by his own admission.
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You're right, Gore couldn't win his own home state. He was a lousy campaigner who had trouble winning elections, by his own admission.
Is he any better at these things now?

Cuz a lot of Dems are saying that if he chose to step into the race he'd be the automatic front runner. Which seems ridiculous if he's a "lousy campaigner who had trouble winning elections."
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Never mind.
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Gore has established himself outside of Clinton's shadow over the last 7 years, it could get interesting if he stepped into the race.
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Gore has established himself outside of Clinton's shadow over the last 7 years, it could get interesting if he stepped into the race.
Indeed. He'd win in a landslide. He doesn't even really talk like the stiff politician he used to be anymore--he talks like a sincere human being now, sort of like he found his voice and it sounds a lot different than everyone else's whose running. But he's been very clear he's not running, or at least he was clear about that the last time I heard him talk, which was on Larry King a month or so ago. I sure wish he'd change his mind.
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I've got Assault On Reason on my dresser waiting to be read for when I go to the beach in the next 2 weeks...I'm looking forward to it.

I'm still undecided, but if he jumped in I might consider backing him.
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Is he any better at these things now?

Cuz a lot of Dems are saying that if he chose to step into the race he'd be the automatic front runner. Which seems ridiculous if he's a "lousy campaigner who had trouble winning elections."
He'd have no serious competition to win the democratic nomination

Neither Hillary or Obama would would beat whoever the Republicans put forward, Gore would have a chance
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Neither Hillary or Obama would would beat whoever the Republicans put forward
This is such a myth.

Hillary can, and in my opinion, would beat every single Republican out there. And no, she is not my first pick. But this myth that she's not electable is just that - a myth. She wins the electoral college without great difficulty.

Here's Mitt Romney with absolutely no class:

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I think America will have Republican fatigue...and the GOP's field of candidates is even more pitiful than the Democrats, Hillary and Obama can win.


...and yes, Mitt was being very tasteless there.
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