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Old 11-08-2002, 05:23 PM   #21
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Channel 4 News had Michael Moore on for the Democrats and Laura Ingraham for the Republicans. She did rather well, but Mr. Moore had the last word:


"No wonder they win, they look better than us."
I wonder what would have happened if such a really harmless joke had come from the lips of a liberal or a conservative rather than a Leftist?

Political Correctness is not a matter of what is said; it is a matter of who says it. The annointed are "allowed" freedoms of speech unavailable to the hoi polloi. Had it been myself on ITV news, making the same remark, I would be pilloried for it.

Do not get me wrong: I am not castigating Michael Moore for this remark. I am merely pointing out there is an inherent asymmetry and illogic to the Left's position on Freedom of Speech. The fact is, I agree with Michael Moore. Laura Ingraham is better looking than he is.

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Laura Ingraham is better looking than he is.

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Ms Ingrahm is a sexy


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[B"No wonder they win, they look better than us."[/B]
Quite frankly, I doubt he is far off. During John F. Kennedy's election in 1960, when polled, many female voters admitted that they were only voting for him, because of his looks. Appearance is everything, frankly. People may never want to admit to it, but the packaging has just as much to do, if not more, than the actual message.

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Hey
Everybody KNOWS that Nixon was sexier then Jack Kennedy

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Yeah Diamond......

I am sure all of those women at home watching that debate......

found the sweat pouring off Nixon quite sexy.......


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Re: Offensive/Sexist Comments By An Alabama Political Candidate?

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From Today's BIRMINGHAM NEWS:



"I think God gave women, the female gender, an extra little nurturing trait," "Candidate A" said. "That's because we were going to be caretakers of the family. I think government is caretaker of the people.

Well, I can say that candidate A is clearly a Democrat.

No self-respecting Republican believes we need the governement to take care of us.

Caretaker of the people....PLEASE.........
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Actually, it probably is a Democrat. These arguments remind me of the same arguments that "progressive" people used to argue for women's suffrage. As well intentioned as it was in this case (and I'm sure it was the same way with the Alabama political candidate), women and all other subordinate hegemonic groups deserve equality quite simply because we are human.

But, as activist Harry Hay once said, lamentingly, "Well, as a matter of fact, minorities don't have rights. To be let in, they have to be bringing something that the society needs and doesn't have." And I think that's why asinine comments like the one made by the Alabama political candidate continue to be made.

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Laura Ingraham is better looking than he is.

Smarter too.
How DARE you claim that ANYONE, especially a conservative like Laura Ingraham, is smarter than Michael Moore!!!! That is a cardinal offense! We all know that Michael Moore is the greatest and smartest and most special person in the world!

I cannot belive that you would have the audacity to make such a claim in the "Free Your Mind" forum os a U2 message board. How offensive!



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YES, candidate A IS a Democrat.

Someone asked what the issues were or why she waon or something; her issue was name recognition. Her ex-husband was the former (and popular) state Attorney General and Lieutenant Governor; they divorced, she kept the name, and entered politics and has won every race since then.

She was not the religious right candidate; her opponent was the clear religious right candidate.

We also need to discuss the South Carolina Governor's race and the Montana Senate race. In both of these races, entities supporting the Democratic candidates did some sexuality-baiting against their opposing Republican campaigns.

In South Carolina, Republican candidate for Senate Lindsey Graham brought Rudolph Giuliani to town for a campaign fundraiser event. His Democratic opponent then attacked Graham's association with Giuliani because, allegedly, Giuliani was kicked out of his house by his wife and had taken up residence with two gay men. Lindsey Graham won the election.

In Montana, the Democratic candidate for Governor ran a television ad showing video footage of the Republican candidate working as a hairdresser, thus insinuating that he was gay. The Republican candidate won.

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Quite frankly, I doubt he is far off. During John F. Kennedy's election in 1960, when polled, many female voters admitted that they were only voting for him, because of his looks. Appearance is everything, frankly. People may never want to admit to it, but the packaging has just as much to do, if not more, than the actual message.

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u might be on to something. ppl listening to the kennedy/nixon debate thought nixon won. TV viewers thought opposite.

Bono concurs....

http://www.snapfish.com/slideshow/Al...607/t_=4841968

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I also heard that Nixon refused to wear TV makeup or whatever, and he was not "ready for tv" or "made for tv."
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YES, candidate A IS a Democrat.

Someone asked what the issues were or why she waon or something; her issue was name recognition. Her ex-husband was the former (and popular) state Attorney General and Lieutenant Governor; they divorced, she kept the name, and entered politics and has won every race since then.

She was not the religious right candidate; her opponent was the clear religious right candidate.

We also need to discuss the South Carolina Governor's race and the Montana Senate race. In both of these races, entities supporting the Democratic candidates did some sexuality-baiting against their opposing Republican campaigns.

In South Carolina, Republican candidate for Senate Lindsey Graham brought Rudolph Giuliani to town for a campaign fundraiser event. His Democratic opponent then attacked Graham's association with Giuliani because, allegedly, Giuliani was kicked out of his house by his wife and had taken up residence with two gay men. Lindsey Graham won the election.

In Montana, the Democratic candidate for Governor ran a television ad showing video footage of the Republican candidate working as a hairdresser, thus insinuating that he was gay. The Republican candidate won.

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not quite...mont. was a senator race. Baccus(sp) the demo won.

here's the SC quote:

He's an ultra-liberal," Sanders said. "His wife kicked him out and he moved in with two gay men and a Shih Tzu. Is that South Carolina values? I don't think so."

FYI-Barney Frank made a statement denouncing sanders.

And then there's this one....

Yesterday, Hawaii Reporter talked to a handful of people outside the Republican Party who had direct knowledge of a new secret whispering campaign against Republican Gubernatorial Candidate Linda Lingle. Apparently a woman claiming to be the former lover of Lingle is calling targeted Republicans as a part of a smear campaign against Lingle. Lingle says she is not gay and in fact has been married twice.

Lingle supporters says smear mongers are hoping to distract voters from the real issues like the fact that the state has hit rock bottom in almost every category -- education, business, social problems, importation of drugs, domestic violence, theft -- because of poor political leadership.

Democrats tried this same smear in 1998 against Lingle when she ran for governor against incumbent Benjamin Cayetano and against some of their own candidates in years prior who weren't the "chosen" party candidates, including a Democrat candidate for mayor and a Democrat candidate for governor



I guess the "smear" didn't work this time. She won.
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not quite...mont. was a senator race. Baccus(sp) the demo won.

You're right; it was my error. I knew it was the Montana governor's race, as Max Baucus won his Sente seat.

Isn't this the first time in about 40 years that Hawaii has elected a Republican Governor? It is also the first time in 120 years that Georgia has elected a Republican Governor.

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Massachusetts:

Elected its Third Republican Governor in a ROW.


The big news....and the one that is giving our new governor a mandate to be fiscally responsible is the fact that ....

Our Income Tax was almost abolished by a ballot question.


AMAZING here in the state of the Bleading Hearts......


Could Teddy Kennedy be gone next???????
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Our Income Tax was almost abolished by a ballot question.
oh my god. is that for real? your state almost abolished income tax? did whoever proposed that suggest any alternative way of funding public expenditure?
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oh my god. is that for real? your state almost abolished income tax? did whoever proposed that suggest any alternative way of funding public expenditure?
For real.......Here was the question.http://www.state.ma.us/sec/ele/elebq02/bq021.htm





Here is the result:

BALLOT QUESTIONS
1 No Income Tax
2,155 of 2,157 precincts -- 100%
No 1,060,525 -- 55%
Yes 881,738 -- 45%
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For real.......Here was the question.http://www.state.ma.us/sec/ele/elebq02/bq021.htm





Here is the result:

BALLOT QUESTIONS
1 No Income Tax
2,155 of 2,157 precincts -- 100%
No 1,060,525 -- 55%
Yes 881,738 -- 45%
The people who proposed that disgust me.

And I'm shocked that it was rejected by such a narrow margin. Although I guess if you asked people if they wanted to pay more or less tax and didn't explain fully the consequences of that, most people would choose not to pay taxes.
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The people who proposed that disgust me.

And I'm shocked that it was rejected by such a narrow margin. Although I guess if you asked people if they wanted to pay more or less tax and didn't explain fully the consequences of that, most people would choose not to pay taxes.
That is a shame.....

They are Patriots. They are correct in wanting accountability by our government. They are correct that too much of our money is wasted.
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They are Patriots. They are correct in wanting accountability by our government. They are correct that too much of our money is wasted.
They didn't ask for accountability. They asked for an end to income tax. They asked for a tax which pays for schools, hospitals, fire stations and police, to give just a few examples, to be removed.

If patriotism involves taking away healthcare and education from those who need it, by removing the means to pay for them, then I'm happy to be unpatriotic.
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They didn't ask for accountability. They asked for an end to income tax. They asked for a tax which pays for schools, hospitals, fire stations and police, to give just a few examples, to be removed.

If patriotism involves taking away healthcare and education from those who need it, by removing the means to pay for them, then I'm happy to be unpatriotic.
Please do not put words in my mouth, I did not call you unpatriotic.

45% of the people were for it, the state must be doing something wrong.

It did not take place until July 2003. Plenty of time to figure it out.

It meant property taxes and sales taxes go up.....Maybe hitting some of those more wealthy people you want to "Progressively" tax.

They are patriots...they want what our founding fathers wanted. How is England by the way?

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