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Old 04-14-2008, 05:12 PM   #141
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you believe there is underlying truth to Obama's stereotyping of small town people?
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Just as nothing McCain will say will appease me.

wanna bet?


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you believe there is underlying truth to Obama's stereotyping of small town people?
Which is what is even more shocking. Most Obama supporters I've heard found nothing wrong with what he said.
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I already said, there is some truth, but as with any generalization there will be exceptions.

Voting patterns in 2000 and 2004, not just by people in small towns but all across America tend to support what he was saying.
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You're right martha.

I don't know why I'm expending my valuable time on this. I'm out.
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Which is what is even more shocking. Most Obama supporters I've heard found nothing wrong with what he said.
I guess Obama should have just called his wife a "cunt" instead, and we all could have gone on our merry ol' way.
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I guess Obama should have just called his wife a "cunt" instead, and we all could have gone on our merry ol' way.
Yeah, that's what I was implying.

How does this pertain to the topic?
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you believe there is underlying truth to Obama's stereotyping of small town people?
How many people here have lived in a small town? I have (and am currently).

How many people here have parents or relatives who fit the exact demographic that Obama would have been referring to? I do.

How many people would argue that true self-reflection and self-criticism is an inherent human trait? I don't.

And I think that there is definitely a nugget of truth to what he said.

Read this site sometime:

http://www.sullivan-county.com/

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Make no mistake, I'm no liberal or socialist.
It's a very close look at one man's take on rural life in Tennessee. And I'd say that this look at Tennessee is probably a very extreme example of rural life gone awry, but I feel as though it is creeping all over rural America. It is a tale of increasing insecurity, desperation, and--as Obama less-than-tactfully related--scapegoating.

As people no longer trust that government can make their lives any better, they cling to the usual three issues:

God, Guns, & Gays

And all three are being exploited by those in power--who happen to be making their lives even worse.

Make no mistake about it. "Rural folk" might vote for McCain, because they hate Democrats and are now insulted by what Obama said here. But a vote for McCain will just be a vote to put another nail into their own coffins.
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I guess Obama should have just called his wife a "cunt" instead, and we all could have gone on our merry ol' way.
if that was an accusation by some annoymous source 16? years ago
it would not have any traction



Obama's "small town" speech, was in a room full of people this weekend
as was the Rep. Geoff Davis "Obama boy" speech
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How does this pertain to the topic?
Do you really honestly believe that Obama hates rural, poor people? It's just as asinine of a proposition as when some were saying that he hates white people. Never mind he's half-white and once fit into that demographic himself.

And, yet, in spite of everything else that he's stated that makes him a stand-up fellow, you're ready to dismiss him in favor a man with a pattern of severe anger management issues and has stated that he knows very little about economic issues?

I guess there really is such a thing as partisan blinders.
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Make no mistake about it. "Rural folk" might vote for McCain, because they hate Democrats and are now insulted by what Obama said here. But a vote for McCain will just be a vote to put another nail into their own coffins.

I don't disagree

I do believe the GOP has been successful at getting a good portion of the working class vote

and the tax cuts go primarily to the rich

and the working stiffs are left to pay the debt


defending these remarks of Obama's is just plain stupid

these remarks can end up costing the election
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defending these remarks of Obama's is just plain stupid

So is making such a huge deal out of them.
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Do you really honestly believe that Obama hates rural, poor people?
no

but more importantly

is he "smart" enough to think about what he says
so that enough of those people will vote for him to win the election?
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Obama's "small town" speech, was in a room full of people this weekend
as was the Rep. Geoff Davis "Obama boy" speech
So let's get this clear:

If you are a Republican, you can be an alcoholic drug addict who served in a Vietnam-era National Guard champagne unit--with poor attendance--and get a free pass.

If you are a Democrat, even a whisper of an accusation of being "unpatriotic," despite having an otherwise flawless wartime record, you're a traitor that should never be president.

If you are a Republican, you can be an irritable jackass with a bad temper that your fellow party colleagues are loathe to see as president, and a faux-"maverick" with a very conservative voting record and a self-admitted lack of knowledge of economic issues, and get a free pass.

If you are a Democrat, you can have a series of speeches and campaign issues that are considered very friendly to the working class, but if you make one gaffe that sounds bad, then you clearly an elitist that hates poor people.

For God's sake, no wonder we elect such terrible presidents in this country. Maybe Obama should just run as a Republican next time, because then he'll be allowed to be human.
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no

but more importantly

is he "smart" enough to think about what he says
so that enough of those people will vote for him to win the election?
If you're expecting a saint to run for the Democratic nomination, you'll never get it.

We have to stop fixating on semantics and take a look at a candidates entire record and entire platform.

(Of course, if you're a Republican, you can be borderline retarded with a terrible grasp of English and several verbal gaffes ["There's black people in Brazil?"], and get a free pass too.)
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So is making such a huge deal out of them.
why

it might upset the FYM universe?

You and I both know our votes mean nothing to the Nov election

CA will go Dem.


I am only having this discussion in light of how these things will effect the upcoming elections

and so far
it looks like Hillary will do better in Penn
because of this.

Obama had a good shot at taking her out there, before this major fuck-up

and now some are saying it could go all the way to the November election


I state these things, not because I necessarily want them to happen

it is only my opinions of how I think things will go
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defending these remarks of Obama's is just plain stupid

these remarks can end up costing the election
I know. We just prefer presidents who blatantly lie to us instead.
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Geeze, you might want to calm down.
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If you are a Republican, you can be an alcoholic drug addict who served in a Vietnam-era National Guard champagne unit--with poor attendance--and get a free pass.
When/where was the free pass? He was certainly scrutinized for his past behavior.

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If you are a Democrat, even a whisper of an accusation of being "unpatriotic," despite having an otherwise flawless wartime record, you're a traitor that should never be president.
Who's calling him a traitor? I don't want him to ever be president, but it's for a million reasons, not just this "bitter" thing.

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If you are a Republican, you can be an irritable jackass with a bad temper that your fellow party colleagues are loathe to see as president, and a faux-"maverick" with a very conservative voting record and a self-admitted lack of knowledge of economic issues, and get a free pass.
Again, where's the free pass?

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If you are a Democrat, you can have a series of speeches and campaign issues that are considered very friendly to the working class, but if you make one gaffe that sounds bad, then you clearly an elitist that hates poor people.
It's been more than one "gaffe."

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For God's sake, no wonder we elect such terrible presidents in this country. Maybe Obama should just run as a Republican next time, because then he'll be allowed to be human.
I'm allowing him to be human. I want him to be human. So far, all I've seen are slogans and empty calls for change and hope and unity. I want to see who Obama really is, and I think I am starting to now.
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(Of course, if you're a Republican, you can be borderline retarded with a terrible grasp of English and several verbal gaffes ["There's black people in Brazil?"], and get a free pass too.)
Mr. Obama has had plenty of verbal gaffes, as well. You take away his precious prompter and this guy has trouble putting a sentence together.
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