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Old 11-05-2012, 07:09 AM   #981
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In this particular case, I would trust Romney more with the economy
Which aspect of his economic policy do you think is better/more appealing?

I just see the statement like the above tossed around a lot and 98% of the time it is not followed up with anything concrete. The other 2% of the time it's followed up with concrete points, none of which would actually help somebody in your socio-economic bracket.
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Old 11-05-2012, 07:52 AM   #982
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If people think Romney can run the economy like a business then he's got the advantage there. As limited as my knowledge is, I don't think he can do that. Unless you 'd have the model that the CEO rakes it in and the minions toil away. That's what he is to me. And we "streamline" with layoffs, not executive pay cuts.

In MA the economy didn't have any kind of boom when he was governor. He raised all kinds of fees so that he could say he didn't raise taxes. In general we tend to have a better economy here even when times are bad, like now. We have a Democrat for a governor now but he's not the reason for that. Of course state government vs federal is different.

I've said here numerous times that I'm not thrilled with Obama and I'm very dissatisfied with his job performance. Mostly on the economy. I wish I had a Democratic alternative. But under Romney I believe the upper classes will prosper and the rest will stay the same. And I don't trust the guy, because in my eyes he's a shape shifting opportunist. Of course all politicians are opportunists, but he takes the cake on shape shifting and morphing.

And as a side issue but still important to me, I want a President who can relate to people who are unlike him or her-and that would be most people. Everything I know and have read and experienced about Mitt tells me he can't. He can fake it when necessary. Can Obama relate more? In my eyes yes, naturally and organically more than Romney can. Of course how much can most politicians do that?
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Old 11-05-2012, 08:16 AM   #983
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If people think Romney can run the economy like a business then he's got the advantage there. As limited as my knowledge is, I don't think he can do that. Unless you 'd have the model that the CEO rakes it in and the minions toil away. That's what he is to me. And we "streamline" with layoffs, not executive pay cuts.
And this is an excellent point.

A government is not a corporation. If you take the view that a government can be run like a corporation, then are the citizens (i) customers or (ii) shareholders? Because there is a vast ocean of difference between the two.
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Old 11-06-2012, 01:20 AM   #984
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Why are you so discouraged by Obama and the economy mrs Springsteen

>the stimulous pakage could have been bigger? i'd agree with that

But if you're saying he hasn't done enough.....

We know he can sometimes be overly cautious, and more certerist than liberal

He did want another stimulous package,and another particula type of jobs bill--but both got smashed in the House of Representitives!

And you know Mitch McCougnal <sp> said they (Republicans) w..ere determined from day 1 to make Obama a "one term President"
I think the evening after the day's Obama Inauguration a cadre of Republican leadrs and Karl Rov& co began to plan how to obstruct him in every way possible.

And of course the more Moderate Replublicans had been leaving, were pushed out, or soon to be so.

So how much more could Pres Obama have donev( not counting the first thing since we might agree on that)?
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Old 11-06-2012, 07:33 AM   #985
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Another stimulus package, no. Don't think we need more spending in that regard. I like the auto bailout, think that was a good idea that worked out well.

I don't know nearly enough about economics to say but how about some incentives for private business that don't involve govt spending. Any possible things you could do that don't involve more debt. Maybe the GOP would be more likely to go along with that too. Or maybe not. I get what he's been up against, but that still doesn't cut it as an excuse for me. I think he's a very smart guy who should be able to get things done. As a person I like him immensely.

I want him to be more moderate about the economy, like Bill Clinton. Different times, different circumstances. I get that. But I still want that and think it's necessary.
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United Nations Ambassador Susan Rice has pulled her name out of consideration for nomination as the next secretary of state.

“If nominated, I am now convinced that the confirmation process would be lengthy, disruptive and costly – to you and to our most pressing national and international priorities,” Rice wrote in a letter to President Obama obtained by NBC News. “That trade-off is simply not worth it to our country…Therefore, I respectfully request that you no longer consider my candidacy at this time.”

Rice has come under sustained criticism from Republicans both for her handling of questions about the attack on a U.S. diplomatic outpost in Benghazi.

President Obama responded in a statement of his own, saying that he is “grateful” that Rice will continue to serve as ambassador to the United Nations and as a “key member” of his national security team.

“While I deeply regret the unfair and misleading attacks on Susan Rice in recent weeks, her decision demonstrates the strength of her character, and an admirable commitment to rise above the politics of the moment to put our national interests first,” Obama said. “The American people can be proud to have a public servant of her caliber and character representing our country.”
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Would have been completely idiotic for him to have nominated her in the first place. Not only does he have a more-than-qualified alternative choice (Kerry) that would get 90 votes in confirmation but it would have been seen as picking a big political fight with the Reps right as his 2nd term gets underway.

But methinks he might not even choose Kerry because that opens that MA Senate seat and Scott Brown could possibly get right back into the Senate.
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he'll choose Kerry. who i think is a dick but very smart.
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If I were him, I'd nominate Jon Huntsman. Or at least consider it. But Kerry will be good.
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If I were him, I'd nominate Jon Huntsman. Or at least consider it.
I like him. He just seems like an island of sanity.

I too don't get why Obama even considered nominating her. Loyalty above everything, that's what it seems like. Weird, and politically stupid.
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a more-than-qualified alternative choice (Kerry) that would get 90 votes in confirmation
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choose Kerry because that opens that MA Senate seat and Scott Brown could possibly get right back into the Senate.
Those two statements are obviously related, in my opinion.

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If I were him, I'd nominate Jon Huntsman.
That confirmation process would be fun to watch.
He is a Republican, so it'll be difficult for the Republicans to vote against him. But if they vote for him, they won't get that MA Senate seat.
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Just what, exactly, did McCain and his sidekick gain from beating up on this woman?
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I like him. He just seems like an island of sanity.
Agreed. I wish we could spread his mindset around to the rest of the GOP somehow.
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But methinks he might not even choose Kerry because that opens that MA Senate seat and Scott Brown could possibly get right back into the Senate.
Would Kerry's Senate seat be filled via an election or would the governor be the one to choose someone? If it's the latter, I'd imagine Patrick would choose a Democrat.
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Would Kerry's Senate seat be filled via an election or would the governor be the one to choose someone? If it's the latter, I'd imagine Patrick would choose a Democrat.
It used to be that the governor was to choose someone. But that law was changed in 2004 (when Senator Kerry was running for President and they wanted to prevent that Governor Romney was then to appoint a Republican), so that now it has to be filled in a special election. The governor still gets to appoint someone ad interim, but a special election has to be held between 160 and 180 days after the senator has left the Senate.
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Right, thanks.
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Just what, exactly, did McCain and his sidekick gain from beating up on this woman?
It's the precursor to the coming Hillary attack in 2016.
They were laying the foundation. "Susan Rice was disqualified from SOS and all she did was talk to the media! It's Hillary Clinton that deserves the blame!"

Meanwhile the rest of us are still wondering what the big deal was in the first place. Most people, conservatives included, simply don't give a shit. It's funny how little FOX and Co. talk about Benghazi anymore compared to how it was right up until the election took place. Shocking, huh?

I don't feel bad for Susan Rice. Because of the rigors of the job, it's usually only a 4 year stint anyhow. She'll serve as SOS under Hillary Clinton, if HRC can get elected. So the stooges like McCain (a man I once held in HIGH regard...yeesh, what a fall...) can fight about Benghazi with Hills, because by then it's going to be seen as all her fault.

And the funniest thing of all because of this Rice battle (as I heard Bill Kristol and a few others say) - consequently, they'll get a more liberal Sec of State in return, and a man they have no real justification in voting 'no' against. Good job, McCain and Graham.

I also don't understand how Graham, as a lesbian, is so against gay marriage.
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Source: Obama to tap Kerry to be next secretary of state – CNN
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this is looking like a Benghazi two step

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(WTVR) – Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will be spending the next couple of days at home after sustaining a concussion.
The State Department says Clinton became dehydrated while battling a stomach virus she caught during a trip to Europe. She hit her head when she fainted. According to the New York Times, she was alone at her home in Washington at the time. They say her concussion was not severe.
Her doctors advise that she should spend next week working from home.
As a result, Clinton will not testify on Thursday before the Senate and House Foreign Affairs Committee about September’s deadly attack in Benghazi.
Clinton will not testify before Congress on Libya, purported concussion cited |
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