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Old 08-03-2012, 11:09 PM   #621
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All he's saying is that rich people and business owners are going around claiming they got where they are all by themselves, without any help of any kind. And he's saying that's not true. Be it the government, be it teachers, be it your family, your friends, a loyal customer, a private business who supports you, whomever, the fact is there are plenty of people involved in helping someone become successful.
i've encountered so many people like this. the ones that bother me the most are those "i pulled myself up by my bootstraps..." type people. (and ha, i just saw you said the same thing in a later post!) regardless, people who think they achieved success all by themselves without help from anyone or anything are just wrong.

i mean yeah, anyone who has a successful business has a lot to be proud of and i don't blame them for wanting to take credit for it. but to take credit for everything as if you've had no help from anyone is pretty much impossible. you'd have to have already been wealthy to not need to rely on any government assistance and even then they got tax credits or something.
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Old 08-04-2012, 10:35 AM   #622
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In a blink-and-miss-it moment in the new Total Recall you can see Barack Obama on the bill of a futuristic currency. Which country's currency is not clear.

Still, quite ironic given that the movie, like the Obama presidency, requires the process of brainwashing.
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Still, quite ironic given that the movie, like the Obama presidency, requires the process of brainwashing.
Classy.
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In a blink-and-miss-it moment in the new Total Recall you can see Barack Obama on the bill of a futuristic currency. Which country's currency is not clear.

Still, quite ironic given that the movie, like the Obama presidency, requires the process of brainwashing.
Wow, I've been brainwashed? It's all so clear now!

(And you were complaining about lack of civility in the last same sex thread?)
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my God. Obama's not-real-American un-American disbelief in American Exceptionalism is even affecting our OLYMPIANS!

especially the black ones!





thank Jesus Fox News is on the case.

you know when we were appropriately patriotic! 1984. and guess who was president then?

you see?
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What, all their cringe-inducing programmatic babble about "Well I'm just here to, y'know, support Team USA and, y'know, do my best for Team USA and, y'know, be part of this great experience of being here at the Olympics as part of Team USA" wasn't good enough for him?
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So is there, like, a checklist or something that these people use to determine who is "most patriotic"? What all does someone have to do to prove how much they love this country?
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What, all their cringe-inducing programmatic babble about "Well I'm just here to, y'know, support Team USA and, y'know, do my best for Team USA and, y'know, be part of this great experience of being here at the Olympics as part of Team USA" wasn't good enough for him?

Not when every world event must be shape to fit a predetermined meta narrative.
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So is there, like, a checklist or something that these people use to determine who is "most patriotic"? What all does someone have to do to prove how much they love this country?
probably. i started to type out a list but it seemed too mean-spirited. i'll just say pulling up yourself by your bootstraps was on there.
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my God. Obama's not-real-American un-American disbelief in American Exceptionalism is even affecting our OLYMPIANS!

especially the black ones!





thank Jesus Fox News is on the case.

you know when we were appropriately patriotic! 1984. and guess who was president then?

you see?
What an embarrassment. The entire segment makes both host and guest look like imbeciles.
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"We're not hearing the chants of USA! USA!"

Thank god. I always thought that was obnoxious. I guess you'd better take me out back and shoot me for being unpatriotic. And it's not about making other teams "uncomfortable," it's about in Atlanta when the cheering/screaming was distracting to the other athletes. Understandable that the fans were excited and loud, but maybe the lack of chants has a little bit to do with being respectful?

That was Atlanta, and '84 was Los Angeles. Maybe there aren't a lot of chants at these games because there aren't shit-tons of Americans there. I dunno. Call me crazy, but I assume that has something to do with it.
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I wonder if the Faux News was complaining in '08 when Nastia Liukin won a gold medal wearing a pink leotard. Did they complain about Rebecca Soni wearing a pink swimsuit?



The answer of course is all US athletes need to wear flag pins.
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Is Fox happy with the crowd's response to drugs cheat Justin Gatlin winning bronze in the 100m?
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Could we have no Olympic spoilers here? I can avoid the Olympics thread but don't expect them here. That hasn't aired here yet, all big events except for tennis are tape delayed here.
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Could we have no Olympic spoilers here? I can avoid the Olympics thread but don't expect them here. That hasn't aired here yet, all big events except for tennis are tape delayed here.
Apologies, wasn't aware of that.
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I realise this is off-topic to the main point of the thread, but ...

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"We're not hearing the chants of USA! USA!"

Thank god. I always thought that was obnoxious. I guess you'd better take me out back and shoot me for being unpatriotic. And it's not about making other teams "uncomfortable," it's about in Atlanta when the cheering/screaming was distracting to the other athletes. Understandable that the fans were excited and loud, but maybe the lack of chants has a little bit to do with being respectful?

That was Atlanta, and '84 was Los Angeles. Maybe there aren't a lot of chants at these games because there aren't shit-tons of Americans there. I dunno. Call me crazy, but I assume that has something to do with it.
There's no national chant I dislike more than the "USA! USA!" chant; it's just become kind of boorish to me. Especially because it seems your frat boy types love to do it anytime, anywhere, no matter how inappropriate it may be. I've been to concerts right here in Melbourne where Americans have struck up "USA! USA!" chants. At Built to Spill last year, two members of the band had to tell one guy to shut up because he was making his country look bad and annoying the rest of the audience.

And this says something, given I live in a country with its own boorish - and totally nonsensical - chant of "Aussie, Aussie, Aussie! Oi, oi, oi!" I've never felt more out of place in my life than when I was eleven and had just moved from New Zealand. I was at school camp and the leaders got the students to do the chant before some sporting activity or another. I'd never heard it before and had no idea what was going on. I just wanted to disappear into a hole in the ground.

At least English cricket fans with all their songs are kind of endearing. New Zealand? Hell, we never even sung the national anthem at school (that was another very baffling thing to 11 year old Ax, hearing the Aussie anthem sung before every school assembly). About the most patriotic thing I did as a kid was talk about the rugby with my mates. You can love your country without needing to prove it by bellowing a mindless chant through any given sporting event.
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Yep. I hate the Poms but at least their Barmy Army come up with decent chants at the cricket. They're clever, funny, and go waaaaaay over the average Australian fan's head. What's our retort?

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I had no idea that Americans did that outside of sports events.

That's ...... kind of gross.
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I realise this is off-topic to the main point of the thread, but ...



There's no national chant I dislike more than the "USA! USA!" chant; it's just become kind of boorish to me. Especially because it seems your frat boy types love to do it anytime, anywhere, no matter how inappropriate it may be. I've been to concerts right here in Melbourne where Americans have struck up "USA! USA!" chants. At Built to Spill last year, two members of the band had to tell one guy to shut up because he was making his country look bad and annoying the rest of the audience.

And this says something, given I live in a country with its own boorish - and totally nonsensical - chant of "Aussie, Aussie, Aussie! Oi, oi, oi!" I've never felt more out of place in my life than when I was eleven and had just moved from New Zealand. I was at school camp and the leaders got the students to do the chant before some sporting activity or another. I'd never heard it before and had no idea what was going on. I just wanted to disappear into a hole in the ground.

At least English cricket fans with all their songs are kind of endearing. New Zealand? Hell, we never even sung the national anthem at school (that was another very baffling thing to 11 year old Ax, hearing the Aussie anthem sung before every school assembly). About the most patriotic thing I did as a kid was talk about the rugby with my mates. You can love your country without needing to prove it by bellowing a mindless chant through any given sporting event.
The low point of US fan behaviour for me was the 1999 Ryder Cup final, and actually I'd blame the players more than the fans. Some of them were openly vibing up the fans with all that U-S-A, U-S-A shit, it created a really bad impression over here at the time - the impression was, if Europe had come from behind and beaten American, you wouldn't have seen those kind of triumphalist displays.



Don't get me wrong - the Americans won it fair and square and deserved their result, but some of the players' exultations before the result was even decided were just ungentlemanly and unseemly particularly in a sport that demands concentration.

To be fair, I think after that, certainly the US fans' behaviour improved and lessons were learned.
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I had no idea that Americans did that outside of sports events.

That's ...... kind of gross.
Yeah, it is.

I've never gotten into the "rah rah!" chanting, either. If people want to express their patriotism that way, that's their choice, whatever. But to me, it often seems that making a big spectacle/showing of something, be it your love for this country or anything else, strikes me less as sincere and more, "Hey, I love this, do you see how much I love this, I just want to make it clear how much I love this!". It just often tends to come off to me as an overbearing, overcompensating show-offy sort of attitude.

It's like the news stories I hear about people who make a big production out of praying before a football game to "show those who disagree with prayer in school" and stuff. Call me crazy, but I'm pretty sure that's not the point of prayer, to try and make a point to someone or antagonize them.

You can wear all the flag pins you want. You can put a flag in front of your house. You can chant "USA! USA!" until your throat runs dry. It doesn't make you automatically patriotic, nor does it mean you're more patriotic and better than those who don't do such things.
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