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Just about every single person I know that makes a six figure income works their butt off for it and in my opinion has earned ever penny. I live in a very wealthy area (Seattle is overpriced enough to compete with San Francisco--seriously, and not even the high median income is enough to cover our cost of living), so I know a lot of them. Many of them work 70+ hour work weeks doing very complicated work that most of us would never be capable of doing.

I certainly can believe that :). To make that kind of money I can only imagine the sorts of hours people have to put in, I don't know how they manage it. I hope I didn't imply anything bad in my post and I'm sorry if I did. Just saying in many people's eyes that is a LOT of money. It'd be worth all the hard work, though, I'm sure.
 
I think part of the problem with the 99%/1% split is that it sounds good as a slogan but in fact is a bit deceiving.

There are different ways of defining the 1%. Most commonly a line is drawn somewhere around $500K annual income, although some people look at total wealth which is probably a better indicator.

However, the beef is really not with the 1% but with the 0.1%. Those who are making $500K/year certainly sound wealthy to most of us, but remember that these are people who are still working, and probably working very hard. It's only when your annual earnings reach into the millions that you can probably bet that the person is making money off interest or investments rather than from collecting a salary.
 
My issue with income inequality mainly just comes down to the fact that if you are making 250,000 a year after tax, you will never be in a situation where you have to decide between buying essential medication and feeding yourself and family at the end of the month. Lifestyle inflation with increasing income is a personal choice.

If that isn't an argument against a flat tax then what is?
 
Canadiens1131 said:
My issue with income inequality mainly just comes down to the fact that if you are making 250,000 a year after tax, you will never be in a situation where you have to decide between buying essential medication and feeding yourself and family at the end of the month. Lifestyle inflation with increasing income is a personal choice.

If that isn't an argument against a flat tax then what is?

Regarding a flat tax, and taxes for the rich in general, I can see a situation where developed countries begin to compete with each other for the tax money of high earners by cutting tax rates for them in a sort of "race to the bottom" to a Nash equilibrium that really doesn't benefit the world economy at large in the end. We're not there yet, and there are obviously steps happening to prevent it (see: François Hollande, though I'm not at all a fan of his, and I think a 75% income tax on the rich is silly at best), but I can see it as eventually being a possibility.
 
it's a long read, but damn, Barry was really, really fucking cool back in the day ... and his waxings on TS Eliot are just the kind of thing that make liberal's hearts to pitter-patter.

Truly, honestly - this is pathetic. Alongside this, the birth truthers' theories look like rational analysis.

You're clearly a very intelligent person but I fear that your time working in the media has dumbed down your brain and led you to posting this sentimental mush.

He is a glib lawyer from Chicago with a nice turn of speech that has done deals with Wall Street to get elected and looks like doing so again because of the incredibly weak opposition. That's where it begins and ends, to me.
 
Humor is not allowed here

Did anyone see The Avengers this weekend? God I love that Robert Downey Jr.- he must ad lib most of his lines. Good for him for getting sober and changing his life.

Plus he's just super hot.
 
I find it absolutely laughable that whenever even mild criticisms of the Sun King Obama are expressed, the lefties just change the subject and descend into triviality.
 
Call out weak arguments all you like, but vulgar attacks on another poster's character will not be tolerated.
 
Like what you'd just posted? No. And you've benefited as much as anybody from the generally light-handed moderating on this forum. If you're convinced a post violates the forum rules you can always report it. This thread is not the place to discuss this.
 
It is now.

How come Iron Horse got banned, for a start?

How come BVS has never gotten banned, for seconds?
Because we enjoy stoking your fantasies of a grand conspiracy to purge FYM of all independent and substantive thought, which you alone have the moral greatness to challenge.

As if I'd discuss past disciplinary actions against other posters publically! Or privately for that matter.

I won't warn you again.
 
Because we enjoy stoking your fantasies of a grand conspiracy to purge FYM of all independent and substantive thought, which you alone have the moral greatness to challenge.

As if I'd discuss past disciplinary actions against other posters publically! Or privately for that matter.

I won't warn you again.

Interesting.

Its very interesting that you react in that way.
 
I find it absolutely laughable that whenever even mild criticisms of the Sun King Obama are expressed, the lefties just change the subject and descend into triviality.

"Lefties" have criticized him many times in here.

I'd also note that if people are looking to have a proper discussion and criticism about Obama and his presidency, saying things like "Sun King Obama", or, as I stated earlier, falling back on old "communist/socialist" talking points, or things of that ilk, kinda kills any chance at doing such a thing.

You know, just like how people brushed off the left wing when they called Bush a terrorist or a fascist, because it was flame speech and had nothing to do with actual point by point criticism of the guy or his policies?
 
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OMG, seriously?

I'm not even an Obama fan. It really helps to not spend too much time in this place (FYM and all of Interference.com) and to take a step back and get out of all of it. Just a fun fact.

This place could sure use more "descending into triviality". Talk about absolutely laughable.
 
Dick Lugar, Indiana's senator for 36 years lost his primary battle today. I have nothing bad to say about Sen Lugar only that I didn't vote for him.

I didn't think being "President Obama's favorite Republican" was an asset.
 
Dick Lugar, Indiana's senator for 36 years lost his primary battle today. I have nothing bad to say about Sen Lugar only that I didn't vote for him.

I didn't think being "President Obama's favorite Republican" was an asset.

I was listening to NPR this morning and they were talking about this primary, and I thought of you. . .wondered whether you would be voting for Lugar or not.

Whose the guy who won again?
 
Huffington Post

CHARLESTON, W.Va. — Just how unpopular is President Barack Obama in some parts of the country? Enough that a man in prison in Texas is getting 4 out of 10 votes in West Virginia's Democratic presidential primary.

The inmate, Keith Judd, is serving time at the Beaumont Federal Correctional Institution in Texas for making threats at the University of New Mexico in 1999. With 83 percent of precincts reporting, Obama was receiving 60 percent of the vote to Judd's 40 percent.

For some West Virginia Democrats, simply running against Obama is enough to get Judd votes.

"I voted against Obama," said Ronnie Brown, a 43-year-old electrician from Cross Lanes who called himself a conservative Democrat. "I don't like him. He didn't carry the state before and I'm not going to let him carry it again."

When asked which presidential candidate he voted for, Brown said, "That guy out of Texas."

Judd was able to get on the state ballot by paying a $2,500 fee and filing a form known as a notarized certification of announcement, said Jake Glance, a spokesman for the Secretary of State's office.

Attracting at least 15 percent of the vote would normally qualify a candidate for a delegate to the Democratic National Convention. But state Democratic Party Executive Director Derek Scarbro said no one has filed to be a delegate for Judd. The state party also believes that Judd has failed to file paperwork required of presidential candidates, but officials continue to research the matter, Scarbro said.

Voters in other conservative states showed their displeasure with Obama in Democratic primaries last March.

In Oklahoma, anti-abortion protestor Randall Terry got 18 percent of the primary vote. A lawyer from Tennessee, John Wolfe, pulled nearly 18,000 votes in the Louisiana primary. In Alabama, 18 percent of Democratic voters chose "uncommitted" in the primary rather than vote for Obama.

Obama's energy policies and the Environmental Protection Agency's handling of mining-related permits have incurred the wrath of West Virginia's coal industry. With the state the nation's second-biggest producer of this fossil fuel, Gov. Earl Ray Tomblin and Sen. Joe Manchin _both Democrats have championed the industry – have declined to say whether they will support Obama in November.

Hillary Rodham Clinton beat Obama handily in the state's 2008 primary, and he lost the state to Republican John McCain in the general election. Polls show some of his worst approval ratings in West Virginia.

Brown, the Cross Lanes electrician, went to the polls Tuesday with his 22-year-old daughter, Emily. She planned to vote for Judd too until she found out where Judd has been living.

"I'm not voting for somebody who's in prison," she said.

She was certain about one thing: "I just want to vote against Barack Obama."
 
that is the type of story the news (web) loves to run with

front page on Drudge right now, but it really is not news

Obama was unpopular in West Virginia before he took office.
In the 2008 Democratic primary, Obama lost West Virginia to Hillary Clinton by 41 points — even though her campaign was all but over.
In the fall, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) beat Obama in the state by 13 points.
Race likely plays some role here. In the 2008 primary, 2 in 10 white West Virginia voters said race was an important factor in their votes, second only to Mississippi. Those voters went for Clinton 8 in 10 times.
As for how Judd got on the ballot: West Virginia has very liberal ballot laws and Judd is an opportunist. He ran in the Idaho Democratic primary in 2008.
Obama wasn’t likely to win West Virginia’s five electoral votes this fall before last night — and the Judd result confirms he has almost no chance of carrying the state in November.

Inmate Polls Well Against Obama In West Virginia Primary : The Two-Way : NPR
 
so i saw Chuck Todd interviewing the guy who won this morning on MSNBC.

um, wow.

I know what the polls say
and I can look up projected electoral vote maps,

But after last night, I am starting to put states like FL, VA, NC in the likely Romney category.

I now say the race is at 50/50

I no longer see Obama having the (slight) advantage
 
Yesterday CNN reported that Obama's rally at Ohio State yielded an underwhelming turnout.

At the rally, only about half of the 18,000-capacity arena was filled. Certainly a far cry from the thousands upon thousands that Obama drew at each of his 2008 campaign stops.

I can't tell if this is a bad sign for the DNC, when Obama gives his acceptance speech at the Bank of America Stadium. It would be embarrassing for Obama to give his big speech in front of a Popmart-sized crowd.:ohmy:
 
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