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But no matter who's in office, the fact remains that people will look back to the president previous and what they left behind and compare it to the current scenario. Add in that some people criticize Obama for continuing Bush era policy and it makes sense the guy's name is going to come up. Obama is trying/not trying to clean up a mess of a situation. Who made that mess? The person who was last in office (hell, some people are even willing to go further back than that-I've seen people blame our current economic woes on things that happened 20, nearly 30 years ago). You cannot look at economic situations strictly in a current form. You HAVE to look at the past to understand how we got here and how to fix it. Quote:
And so when I hear about "job creators", or the rich, whining about paying a bit more, I want to just tell them to shut the fuck up. That is why so many people get angry with them, and it floors me that some people out there think rightfully complaining about the rich refusing to pay more is some sort of BS "class warfare" attack or something. And don't even get me started on the "drug testing" thing. I remember "The Daily Show" did a brilliant bit on that very topic a while back...I may have to put that clip in here, I think it's worth seeing. You're not targeting me specifically, but you keep bringing up that "Obama bucks"/"lazy"/etc. type argument, and it's just really irritating, because I hear it enough from politicians. I hear politicians say, "Oh, all we have to do is teach these people how to work and that'll solve everything!" as if we're too stupid to figure out how. We know how to work. We ARE working. And we're not seeing much payoff in it. And the Republican Party decide to spend their time freaking out over abortion and birth control instead of coming up with decent economic ideas that DON'T involve more tax cuts for the rich and refusal to cut defense spending and so on. I apologize if my post got ranty, but I think I am entitled to be bothered by the constant line of argument about people on welfare and not paying enough or anything in taxes. It's up there with the continued "women wars". Let's lay off targeting certain groups of voters and whatnot and start talking about fixing things for everyone for once. |
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we can all note that these sweeping "LAZY MOTHERFUCKERS" arguments fall to pieces when we apply them to actual individuals. essentially, Mrs. Garrison has said, "not you, you're one of the good ones" when the reality is that MOST people are "one of the good ones" and MOST people are just like you. so keep posting and explaining. ![]() maybe you'll chip away at this under siege mentality and stop Americans from the middle-class, working-class, and poor to all stop hating one another. because that's how the Romneys of the world control you -- they get you to hate one another. |
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Thanks, Irvine
![]() I can safely say my list of people I could say I'd "hate" would be very, very small. There are people who make me angry, yes. There are people I wouldn't dare say I'm fond of in the slightest. But I refuse to give into the "hatred" mentality anymore than I have to. So if that's the plan from some politicians, they're failing miserably at getting it to work on me, at least. I may not like or agree with someone's politics, but if we have to work together to get something done, wonderful, let's do it and save the partisan crap for later. There are certainly legitimate criticisms to be made of Obama, absolutely. I have my own, and I will welcome discussion of where he can do better. No president is ever perfect or should be immune from criticism. I hope, should he get a second term, he will learn from any mistakes he's made thus far and will come out swinging in the next four years. But even if Obama isn't as strong on this issue as he should be, again, I at least get the feeling he is trying and does actually care-I feel if I were to tell him to his face what my family's been through he would listen and understand and at least see if he could do something to help. I don't really get that sense from some other politicians out there. They either care in the sense that obviously they don't think people should be poor, but also don't really, truly get what it's like for people like me, or I get the feeling they genuinely do not care at all and think we deserve this for some reason or another. |
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i guess you're implying they call only registered republicans?
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As for whether or not we are in a recession, you can believe what you like. Im not going to change anybody's mind. And if i weren't "trolling" here with my (god forbid) unique viewpoint, then i guess everyone would just assume the world is in great shape. Yeah thats what im going with now....everything is fine....lets just keep it that way ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Do independents only post conspiracy articles and wildly biased opinion pieces from Fox News and call half of the US lazy freeloaders while at the same time collecting government benefits and then ignoring anyone who disagrees with them?
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Gerald Molen | Obama: 2016 | Documentary | Conservatism | The Daily Caller
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In Mrs Garrison's defense, it doesn't seem like many people who disagree with him do so respectfully. He just gets flamed.
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Sounds really independent.
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One might wait until it comes out to make that determination, or is your mind already made up w/o seeing the movie?
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And if they ignored the problem and defaulted causing their economy to crumble... what would that look like? How would that affect the poor, aged, vulnerable and those truly dependent on government programs?
All the more reason we should act NOW rather than wait until forced to make drastic measures. Unfortunately we're stuck with this for another 8 months: |
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I'm glad you now agree that the stimulus was absolutely the right thing to do and that you were dead wrong about austerity and putting deficit reduction first. |
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This from someone who thinks FDA research librarians making $62k a year are the cause of our national debt? |
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I'll compare Reagan's stimulus-free recovery against Obama's recovery any day of the week. ![]() It's still about the debt. |
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