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Do you have to be Christian to put up a Christmas tree? Christmas stopped being about religion a long time ago, so I hardly think of this as a tax on religion.
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Do you have to be Christian to put up a Christmas tree? Christmas stopped being about religion a long time ago, so I hardly think of this as a tax on religion.
deep
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you are 100% right about this muchWell
Seriously, this is an idiotic move.
and everyone else that responded to this, what world are you living in?
it's a perception thing, I can't believe all of Obama's advisers failed him so badly, are they that stupid?
net gain on this, vs net loss,
is it even close?
this makes about as much sense as Herman Cain going to a women's shelter and giving out free hugs.
BVS
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It might be a perception thing, but those that are ignorant enough to perceive this as an attack on a religion should probably be ignored anyways...
deep
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seriously?
let's say its Jan 2009
and this question is asked.
During Obama's four year term which of the following will be false ?
1. Obama bin Laden will be killed by U S Forces in Pakistan
2. DADT will be terminated
3. All U S Forces will be out of Iraq in 2012
4. Obama will impose a tax on Christmas trees
5. none of the above
6. all of the above
let's say its Jan 2009
and this question is asked.
During Obama's four year term which of the following will be false ?
1. Obama bin Laden will be killed by U S Forces in Pakistan
2. DADT will be terminated
3. All U S Forces will be out of Iraq in 2012
4. Obama will impose a tax on Christmas trees
5. none of the above
6. all of the above
BVS
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Freudian slip?
Look, I think it's a silly tax, BUT if anyone else would have done it no one would have noticed. You are ignorant to think this has to do with religion, and if you're that ignorant than honestly nothing will change your perception of this world. Jesus could come down himself and you wouldn't recognise him... that's all I'm saying.
deep
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you caught the false statement, good job!
I am a Obama supported, and most likely will vote for him again in 2012.
honestly it was a typo, you may not have noticed, but the names have only one letter that is different
and my posts are rife with typos
my point in this conversation, is that most are predicting a very close election next year, and Obama taxing Christmas trees is a net loss for that goal.
I am a Obama supported, and most likely will vote for him again in 2012.
honestly it was a typo, you may not have noticed, but the names have only one letter that is different
and my posts are rife with typos
my point in this conversation, is that most are predicting a very close election next year, and Obama taxing Christmas trees is a net loss for that goal.
BVS
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And my point is that this type of thing is not going to push an independent over the edge.
Those that see this for anything more than it is, already believe Osama is a Muslim socialist hellbent on destroying Christmas.
deep
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it is not my style to dredge up the past, that often leads to pissing contests
and since many people read these posts,
I try and write my remarks in a way that allows others to participate in a general conversation.
that said, it seems you want to wish away any negative impacts or outcomes.
in close elections , small things matter a lot.
I do recall awhile back, I posted something about GOP gains allowing them to change voting laws in ways that repress voter turn out that will impact Democratic turn out.
At that time you dismissed it.
It has been a very big story in many states, the Democratic party believes it is serious and is fighting it.
I just call these things as I see them.
and since many people read these posts,
I try and write my remarks in a way that allows others to participate in a general conversation.
that said, it seems you want to wish away any negative impacts or outcomes.
in close elections , small things matter a lot.
I do recall awhile back, I posted something about GOP gains allowing them to change voting laws in ways that repress voter turn out that will impact Democratic turn out.
At that time you dismissed it.
It has been a very big story in many states, the Democratic party believes it is serious and is fighting it.
I just call these things as I see them.
BVS
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Come to find out the Heritage Foundation an extreme right wing organization is the one that made this a story, shock and awe. And it's not a tax created by the white house perse its a fee imposed by the industry in order to help promote the industry. The same type of "tax" gave us the "Got Milk" campaign, and "Beef, it's what's for dinner".
BVS
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I'm not wishing away anything, I'm very much a realist and know things are pretty slim. But I'm also pretty realistic on who these small stories effect.
I didn't dismiss it, once again I was just being realistic. I think this particular issue about voter registration is being framed wrong, by both sides. What I said was that those areas that don't allow free access to photo IDs this type of voter repression wouldn't be allowed, and so far I'm correct its been overturned. I think everyone believes there should be some system in place that makes you prove that you are the voter that you say you are, it's just a matter of how fair access to that type of ID really is...
deep
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a lesson learned here
that I try and adhere to, is to stay away from a 'hot' topic for a couple of days.
often times they are poorly sourced. most times I spend a bit of time doing my own fact checking.
This time I just took my fellow FYMers to be on point, that Obama had imposed this tax.
Merry Christmas? Agriculture Department Imposes Christmas Tree Tax | Fox News
Fox News says it is 'industry imposed'
it will be interesting to see how some Administration detractors will try and keep this story going.
that I try and adhere to, is to stay away from a 'hot' topic for a couple of days.
often times they are poorly sourced. most times I spend a bit of time doing my own fact checking.
This time I just took my fellow FYMers to be on point, that Obama had imposed this tax.
Merry Christmas? Agriculture Department Imposes Christmas Tree Tax | Fox News
Fox News says it is 'industry imposed'
it will be interesting to see how some Administration detractors will try and keep this story going.
Tiger Edge
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Guess you caught "my" false statement, deep. 
I was waiting to see when someone would say "what does Obama have to do with this?!"
That being said, I agree it's a dumb move on the part of the administration. It's just more government meddling in an industry that is dying for a variety of reasons. More than likely, reason #1 is the economy. #2 among those tree loving hippies is to forgo the cutting down of a tree to drag into your house, water it like some mutant houseplant, put a bunch of toys underneath it and then toss it in the trash a few days after Christmas and simply just buy an artificial tree. (Which we have at home, and have had since I was at least 7).
Nonetheless, Obama seems to overcome these missteps over time.
Or, depending on how you see it, "the mainstream media just chooses to ignore them."
I was waiting to see when someone would say "what does Obama have to do with this?!"
That being said, I agree it's a dumb move on the part of the administration. It's just more government meddling in an industry that is dying for a variety of reasons. More than likely, reason #1 is the economy. #2 among those tree loving hippies is to forgo the cutting down of a tree to drag into your house, water it like some mutant houseplant, put a bunch of toys underneath it and then toss it in the trash a few days after Christmas and simply just buy an artificial tree. (Which we have at home, and have had since I was at least 7).
Nonetheless, Obama seems to overcome these missteps over time.
Or, depending on how you see it, "the mainstream media just chooses to ignore them."
deep
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this is a *slippery story* it appears to be sliding every which direction
Obama Administration to Delay New 15-Cent Christmas Tree Tax
at this time***
*** the Administration seems to agree with me, perception matters, they don't even want to risk losing a few ignorant voters.
Obama Administration to Delay New 15-Cent Christmas Tree Tax
at this time***
*** the Administration seems to agree with me, perception matters, they don't even want to risk losing a few ignorant voters.
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TBH I didn't get the impression anyone except you thought that, granted that's how lots of headlines out there are making it sound. It is the DoA, as opposed to the growers, technically imposing the tax (fee), as the relevant legislation (Commodity Promotion Act) requires.
deep
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TBMA (to be more accurate)
that was the first post
and I just skimmed the rest
also, it seems the Administration is responding to 'the perception'.
that was the first post
and I just skimmed the rest
also, it seems the Administration is responding to 'the perception'.
Tiger Edge
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Modern politics 
Obama is definitely against all the Christians. The Fox News comment panel (and I'm sure tonight's O'Reilly Factor) says so.
Obama is definitely against all the Christians. The Fox News comment panel (and I'm sure tonight's O'Reilly Factor) says so.
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I will be voting for Nader for a third time or a Green Party nominee if Nader doesn't run.
However, I'd like to discuss my Obama campaign strategy which I think is genius. Basically, his staffers should not put any money into the closest swing states and rather dump most of the funds into swing states that he won by greater margins. Why evenly spread most of the campaign dollars over ten states and give Romney a chance to evenly spread his money and flip some of the bigger ones? It makes more sense to pile the bulk of money/staffers into the states that you will probably win and simply give up the others. If you outspend Romney in a couple of small swing states by like a 5-to-1 margin, you'll easily hold onto those and win the election. It's not about getting 365 electoral votes again, but ensuring you reach 270.
States Obama Won By Less Than 3% in 2008:
North Carolina, Indiana, NE District 2, Florida (-56 Electoral Votes)
- Obama gives up all of that, spending virtually no money in those states.
Current Standings:
Obama - 303 EVs
Romney - 235 EVs
All of Obama's concentration/funds should be spent on Ohio, Virigina, Colorado and Iowa. He will win the rest of the same states with ease as he had strong margins of victory in all the rest. If he loses all but Ohio, he wins the race. If he loses Ohio, he needs to pick up either Virginia or a combo of Colorado/Iowa. I see no reason for him to try and make states like Indiana or Florida or North Carolina competitive when he doesn't need to win any of them. Why not just outspend Romney in Ohio by an unprecedented margin with a bunch of attack ads showing how Republicans tried to curb union power in the state only a year prior? I mean, call me crazy, but Obama could probably spend $500 million in just Ohio and not a dime in the states he's obviously going to win and still end up winning with ease. If I were running his campaign, I'd play this Safe Swing States strategy and I have no doubt it would work.
However, I'd like to discuss my Obama campaign strategy which I think is genius. Basically, his staffers should not put any money into the closest swing states and rather dump most of the funds into swing states that he won by greater margins. Why evenly spread most of the campaign dollars over ten states and give Romney a chance to evenly spread his money and flip some of the bigger ones? It makes more sense to pile the bulk of money/staffers into the states that you will probably win and simply give up the others. If you outspend Romney in a couple of small swing states by like a 5-to-1 margin, you'll easily hold onto those and win the election. It's not about getting 365 electoral votes again, but ensuring you reach 270.
States Obama Won By Less Than 3% in 2008:
North Carolina, Indiana, NE District 2, Florida (-56 Electoral Votes)
- Obama gives up all of that, spending virtually no money in those states.
Current Standings:
Obama - 303 EVs
Romney - 235 EVs
All of Obama's concentration/funds should be spent on Ohio, Virigina, Colorado and Iowa. He will win the rest of the same states with ease as he had strong margins of victory in all the rest. If he loses all but Ohio, he wins the race. If he loses Ohio, he needs to pick up either Virginia or a combo of Colorado/Iowa. I see no reason for him to try and make states like Indiana or Florida or North Carolina competitive when he doesn't need to win any of them. Why not just outspend Romney in Ohio by an unprecedented margin with a bunch of attack ads showing how Republicans tried to curb union power in the state only a year prior? I mean, call me crazy, but Obama could probably spend $500 million in just Ohio and not a dime in the states he's obviously going to win and still end up winning with ease. If I were running his campaign, I'd play this Safe Swing States strategy and I have no doubt it would work.
deep
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as a fellow Californian,
I guess our votes don't matter, this state is fairly safe to go solidly blue.
the 6 - 11 states that do matter in the electoral college cluster f*ck should seriously evaluate voting 3rd party and having the worse of the evils take office, aka Nader voters in 2000 that could have saved us from Bush in 2000.
I guess our votes don't matter, this state is fairly safe to go solidly blue.
the 6 - 11 states that do matter in the electoral college cluster f*ck should seriously evaluate voting 3rd party and having the worse of the evils take office, aka Nader voters in 2000 that could have saved us from Bush in 2000.
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Election fraud is responsible for Bush's win, not Nader. I know, it's frustrating that virtually all of those 97,488 people that voted for him in Florida would have preferred Al Gore in office to Bush, but that's the entire point of voting for a candidate that's not a member of a major party. It's effectively a protest vote and if the major Leftist party continues to not give a rat's ass about us liberals, they can face the consequences. It's the Democrats that lose out more than us because we all know that electoral politics doesn't change anything. Hence the third party vote.
deep
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Fraud only works if they can get it close enough to steal it.
With the GOP controlling so many state houses and state legislators and appointed election officials and with voter suppression tactics, there is even a greater chance of stealing or theft of elections, then what occurred in 2000.
therefore, liberals/ progressives voting 3rd party in close states, when they could support the lesser evil, it may be considered a principled stand, but not well thought out.
With the GOP controlling so many state houses and state legislators and appointed election officials and with voter suppression tactics, there is even a greater chance of stealing or theft of elections, then what occurred in 2000.
therefore, liberals/ progressives voting 3rd party in close states, when they could support the lesser evil, it may be considered a principled stand, but not well thought out.
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Can Obama just tell Netanyahu that he's an asshole to his face and endorse a Palestinian state? I promise that the left will get behind him for this next election if he just does something like that, regardless of how many investment bankers we know he'll keep appointing to positions or caving to whenever he tries to reign in Wall Street.
deep
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Knowing how politics works
and how to count to 270 electoral votes, that would 100% doom any shot of being reelcted, and hurt Dems down ticket all over the place
that sounds like a suggestion from the GOP playbook?
and how to count to 270 electoral votes, that would 100% doom any shot of being reelcted, and hurt Dems down ticket all over the place
that sounds like a suggestion from the GOP playbook?
Irvine511
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that's pretty selfish, don't you think? i can't have exactly what i want, so i'm going to help the idiot cowboy death clown from Texas get elected?
INDY500
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Many states' electoral votes have changed due to the 2010 census with states gaining votes being blue states and those losing votes being Obama states. So factor that into your numbers. Some states may have adopted the Colorado rule of doling out electoral votes by district, not winner take al,l as well but I'm not sure about that.
Finally, Romney may be able to carry New Hampshire, Michigan and other states that McCain floundered in.
kramwest1
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The Electoral map is a little more complicated than in 2008, but not by much. It still mostly comes down to Florida and Ohio. Obama doesn't need Virginia and NC to win.
Rubio as the GOP VP choice makes Florida more in play, but Romney talking about Social Security changes could F*** that up. (And if I'm not mistaken, Romney is the most moderate of the GOP candidates on SS.)
At least it will be an early night. It seems quite likely that the Eastern Time Zone decides the 2012 election.
Rubio as the GOP VP choice makes Florida more in play, but Romney talking about Social Security changes could F*** that up. (And if I'm not mistaken, Romney is the most moderate of the GOP candidates on SS.)
At least it will be an early night. It seems quite likely that the Eastern Time Zone decides the 2012 election.
INDY500
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Whether imposed by President Obama or the tree industry the salient point is the tax was stopped without one tent being erected in a park, one drum circle or one brick through a window.
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I don't get the tree tax BS. Painting it as a religious issue is pure laziness.
Menorahs and prayer rugs don't grow in the forest.
Menorahs and prayer rugs don't grow in the forest.
Tiger Edge
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Pine trees were also not present in Bethlehem, so..................
Right, because the two situations are so similar as to invite comparison.
deep
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I think it is reasonable to assume if Florida and Ohio go for the same candidate, that side wins.
Romney polls best of the GOP in Florida, and if he gets the nom, he will have flopped back over to not talking about SS reform. Why scare the old folks?
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