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Old 05-26-2011, 10:35 PM   #81
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This is not a new line of attack--Beck and various rightwing bloggers have been working it for a few years now--but we're going to hear more and more of it from the right heading into the elections (great wedge issue). This is all part of the broader pattern you commented on yourself awhile back, re: Huckabee's and Palin's Israel trips--this co-opting by the religious right of the whole discourse of Jews/Israel/Zionism as all-purpose militant-Islamophobic buzzwords.
Cable TV and the internet are just new voices for a union that has been growing since the rebirth of conservatism in American politics 50 years ago. As conservatives (which came to include the Religious Right) embraced our Founding Fathers and Principles they formed a natural alliance with a democratic state of Israel. Conservatives proudly spoke of American exceptionalism which itself was borne out of our founders' belief that the United States unique destiny was to be "a New Israel." The Left has largely abandoned this belief.

At the same time conservatives speak of our heritage of Judeo-Christian values much of liberalism was embracing non-traditional values and views as its members became more secular.

50 years ago the home of antisemitism was largely on the Right. Now it is the Left, especially internationally, that contains groups hostile to Israel and Jews while sympathetic to the demands of Arab nations and Palestinian rights.

Somehow blaming America and trashing Israel go hand in hand in many leftist think tanks, academia and universities, Black Liberation churches, the U.N. and many other segments of the Left.

In 2011 his isn't about "buzz words" or "wedge issues" but something much deeper. Something a great many people in the world would like to see eradicated.

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so how does Israel help us advance our national interests?

surely the world has many other democracies than just Israel.
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I do often wonder what practical benefit the US is supposed to get out of this arrangement.
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Cable TV and the internet are just new voices for a union that has been growing since the rebirth of conservatism in American politics 50 years ago. As conservatives (which came to include the Religious Right) embraced our Founding Fathers and Principles they formed a natural alliance with a democratic state of Israel. Conservatives proudly spoke of American exceptionalism which itself was borne out of our founders' belief that the United States unique destiny was to be "a New Israel." The Left has largely abandoned this belief.

At the same time conservatives speak of our heritage of Judeo-Christian values much of liberalism was embracing non-traditional values and views as its members became more secular.

50 years ago the home of antisemitism was largely on the Right. Now it is the Left, especially internationally, that contains groups hostile to Israel and Jews while sympathetic to the demands of Arab nations and Palestinian rights.

Somehow blaming America and trashing Israel go hand in hand in many leftist think tanks, academia and universities, Black Liberation churches, the U.N. and many other segments of the Left.

In 2011 his isn't about "buzz words" or "wedge issues" but something much deeper. Something a great many people in the world would like to see eradicated.

Little Satan and the Great Satan.
Did you get this off the Huckabee revisionist history website? You actually paid money for that?

This is simpleton and short sighted. It's no wonder why Republican policy comes off as such...
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Cable TV and the internet are just new voices for a union that has been growing since the rebirth of conservatism in American politics 50 years ago. As conservatives (which came to include the Religious Right) embraced our Founding Fathers and Principles they formed a natural alliance with a democratic state of Israel. Conservatives proudly spoke of American exceptionalism which itself was borne out of our founders' belief that the United States unique destiny was to be "a New Israel." The Left has largely abandoned this belief.

At the same time conservatives speak of our heritage of Judeo-Christian values much of liberalism was embracing non-traditional values and views as its members became more secular.

50 years ago the home of antisemitism was largely on the Right. Now it is the Left, especially internationally, that contains groups hostile to Israel and Jews while sympathetic to the demands of Arab nations and Palestinian rights.

Somehow blaming America and trashing Israel go hand in hand in many leftist think tanks, academia and universities, Black Liberation churches, the U.N. and many other segments of the Left.

In 2011 his isn't about "buzz words" or "wedge issues" but something much deeper. Something a great many people in the world would like to see eradicated.

Little Satan and the Great Satan.
That would doubtless all go over very well at a certain kind of rally, but it really doesn't at all address the Obama Administration's Israel policy, which differs very little from that of Bush's, Clinton's and Bush Sr.'s.

Anti-Semitism is a latent and intrinsic narrative within Western culture; it has nothing to do with right or left, and no ideology is incompatible with it. Look into the history of any major political, economic, social or religious movement within the modern West and you will find it. You could make an argument that something similar is true about the Islamic world too, that both cultures are haunted by the figure of the perfidious Jew (in the one case they betrayed the Messiah, in the other the Prophet, and the elaborations proceed from there, sometimes becoming apparently detached from any connection to religion but always retaining the assumptions of shiftiness and connivance). But that's all getting a wee bit abstract, and in any case none of it means Jews aren't also capable of persecuting, oppressing, and dispossessing others just like other human beings, which is probably more to the point here.

"Judeo-Christian values" is a reassuring-sounding but meaningless term. Most people who like to use it couldn't write a basic short overview of Jewish ethics and values adequate to pass an elementary-level Hebrew school class if their lives depended on it. Likewise Christians don't need our help to articulate for themselves what their values are. Peaceful coexistence is good but it won't last without both political and social equality, as my grandparents' generation in Europe learned the hard way.

Incidentally the term "American exceptionalism" was coined by the American Communist Party between the World Wars, though just about everyone, left or right, has long since "abandoned" the sense in which they used it. I don't know what you mean by a "natural" historical attraction between conservatives and Israel. US Israel policy through most of the latter half of the 20th century was, like US foreign policy of that era in general, guided first and foremost by Cold War considerations (i.e. counterbalancing Soviet influence), regardless of Administration, and it was under Johnson that the most decisive swing towards military and political alliance with Israel occurred. I would not call Israel's settlements policy "democratic," and that is in essence what all the huffing over the 1967 borders is about.
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Cable TV and the internet are just new voices for a union that has been growing since the rebirth of conservatism in American politics 50 years ago. As conservatives (which came to include the Religious Right) embraced our Founding Fathers and Principles they formed a natural alliance with a democratic state of Israel. Conservatives proudly spoke of American exceptionalism which itself was borne out of our founders' belief that the United States unique destiny was to be "a New Israel." The Left has largely abandoned this belief.

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50 years ago the home of antisemitism was largely on the Right. Now it is the Left, especially internationally, that contains groups hostile to Israel and Jews while sympathetic to the demands of Arab nations and Palestinian rights.

Somehow blaming America and trashing Israel go hand in hand in many leftist think tanks, academia and universities, Black Liberation churches, the U.N. and many other segments of the Left.

In 2011 his isn't about "buzz words" or "wedge issues" but something much deeper. Something a great many people in the world would like to see eradicated.

Little Satan and the Great Satan.
That's pretty funny. Thanks for posting.
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Maybe because David Cameron looks like an oiled up leg of ham stuffed into a condom? No-one wants to see that on tv.
A little slow to respond, but

The visual!!!
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Not mine unfortunately, it's how he's drawn here by the cartoonist for the Guardian. Every week.

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Not mine unfortunately, it's how he's drawn here by the cartoonist for the Guardian. Every week.

Looks like a bad Sponge Bob character.
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The secret service guy goes to grab the phone- I guess it could be rigged as a bomb or something


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The secret service guy goes to grab the phone- I guess it could be rigged as a bomb or something


woah, hello non-story
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I just thought it was cute
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oh sorry, i assumed someone made a big deal of it
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Woah, those guys are serious! But, I understand.


Is Obama not charming as hell?
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I really hope the person on the other end didn't believe it was him and told him to go away, I'm watching tv, or something, only to see the footage later.
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Woah, those guys are serious! But, I understand.
The other day, a couple of hours after I’d managed to just randomly/casually wander up close enough to his car to easily lean over and wack his window (if my sense of humour was closely tied to a death wish) I was in a cab back from a meeting, and on the radio they were talking about how his motorcade had just come to an unheard of complete stop (A COMPLETE STOP! THE HORROR!) in a traffic snarl in South London. I don’t know who the guy was, or what his authority on the subject was, but he had an American accent so he must know - anyway - he was saying with said authority that Obama is considered by the Secret Service to be something of a nightmare. His 'rules' are very different to previous Presidents (hence how he managed to get caught in traffic in the first place, a very different 'overseas' policy of low impact 'flash' traffic blocking or something) and he is in general very lax/spontaneous compared to previous Presidents, and it gives them endless grief.
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The US president’s part in the College Green victims of colonialism pageant was galling

ONLY A fine line separates a great orator from a flimflam merchant. And much as I admire the man, Barack Obama proved the point with his speech the other week at College Green, Dublin.

So patronising was he that halfway through I found myself wondering what kind of brief his two Irish-American speech-writers had been given: “Let’s just tell these people whatever they want to hear?”

Obama's waffle feeds Irish taste for fantasy - The Irish Times - Thu, Jun 02, 2011
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i miss studying post-colonialism. it's so interesting.
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Anyone know if Obama has yet stated a constitutional justification for attacking Libya?
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