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Old 03-01-2012, 01:44 PM   #921
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that is pathetic, how broad was the exemption?

could an employer refuse to provide medical insurance for people living in sin?
or harlots that get pregnant, without a god-ordained one man, one woman marriage?
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Old 03-01-2012, 02:51 PM   #922
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just to lighten things up, here's a joke

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"A MOM'S MEMORY."

"A little boy said to his mother; 'Mommy, how come I'm black and you're white?' " the e-mail joke reads. "His mother replied, 'Don't even go there Barack! From what I can remember about that party, you're lucky you don't bark!' "
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The idea of women who'll spread their legs for anything is such an endless source of hilarity, isn't it? Thank goodness it doesn't create any real-world obstacles to women being taken seriously in a debate.
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or expecting impariality in our judicial system?
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He also then followed it with the classic "I'm sorry to anyone I offended" non-apologies.

Why not just add "If you weren't offended, it's still really effing funny, right????" Ugh.

What an asshole.
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I do not believe he is fit to be on the beanch, any half way decent attorney should request a change of venue
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By a vote of 51-48, the Senate agreed to table a Republican amendment offered by Sen. Roy Blunt (R-MO) that would have empowered employers to deny coverage of health services to their employees on the basis of personal moral objections.
Am I completely and totally missing something here? What exactly is "immoral" about providing health services to employees to begin with? How do people look at their religion and find something about "providing health care goes against God's word" or whatever?

And I too would like to know just how far this exemption goes.

Seriously. I don't get this.
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I thought it would allow them to NOT cover one specific part of health coverage. Like, "we'll offer you health care but we're not going to cover birth control / blood transfusions / breast reconstruction / brain surgery because we're morally against it."

Not "we think health care is morally objectionable, so we're not going to offer it."

I mean, employers could start taking away health coverage altogether, there's nothing stopping them from doing that. If the health care reform goes into play like it's supposed to, theoretically people can get their coverage elsewhere through the various exchanges, and based on cost to the employer, they could decide their bottom line isn't worth the cost of providing health coverage to their employees. The next few years are going to be interesting.

But I think the Blunt amendment was intended to expand upon the contraceptive piece. "Well, if THEY can opt out of covering birth control, what can WE opt out of because we think it's wrong?"

Correct me if I'm wrong, please.
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The Atlantic, March 5
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President Obama's pledge that the United States "will always have Israel's back" and will attack Iran if it develops a nuclear weapon reverberated across the world Monday. His first remarks occurred during a Sunday conference hosted by the pro-Israel group American Israel Public Affairs Committee and his second remarks took place during a meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Here are the bits of commentary coming from countries around the world:

Israel
The president's strong pledge of support understandably garnered wide praise in Israel. "A masterpiece of political work," wrote Nadev Eyal in the daily Ma’ariv. Ben-Dror Yeminin, a conservative columnist who writes for the same newspaper said Obama sounded like a member of Israel's hard-right Likud party. ”He didn’t say he would vote for the Likud. But aside from that, one should pay attention, he sounded almost like the Likud leader," he said. In the country's largest paid daily, Yedioth Ahronoth, Sima Kadmon said "We heard in it everything we wanted to hear—and heard that we have someone to rely upon.”

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While the country's nascent blogosphere is a little more difficult to tap into, Iran's state media organs followed the address closely. Citing Obama's assurance that the US "at every crucial juncture, at every fork in the road" supported Israel, Press TV reports that "the US defended Israel against the Goldstone report, which accused Tel Aviv of war crimes against Gazans"—actions the article calls "atrocities." The website's opinion section features an interview with Mark Dankoff "a political commentator in San Antonio Texas" who says Obama "is a captive of the Israeli lobby." “The bad news is that so are the leading contenders of the Republican Party,” Dankoff said. "The real bad news is that if Barack Obama does not do what Israel wants in this particular situation [possible use of military force against Iran]….he can be easily replaced with a Republican in the fall elections.”

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Writing in the Dubai-based newspaper Gulf News, Linda Heard admonishes President Obama and Israel for exaggerating the risk Iran poses to the international community. "In the first place, there’s no proof that Tehran seeks a nuclear bomb. Secondly, US National Intelligence estimates tell us that Iran binned its nuclear weapons ambitions in 2003," she writes. "Thirdly even if Iran had a bomb, it would be used only as a deterrent. The clerics would have to be deranged to nuke Tel Aviv in the knowledge that repercussions would be swift and merciless."

Thailand
In Thailand's Asia Times, Pepe Escobar gives a somewhat poetically ominous depiction of what goes on at AIPAC. "The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) get-together in Washington takes place in an intimidating, cavernous Colosseum where the wealthy crowd ululates in unison for Iranian blood." Ululates, eh? Escobar laments the state of US foreign policy saying "the graphic proof that Israel exercises virtual complete control of US foreign policy was the sight of an American president defensively addressing the AIPAC Colosseum."

Britain
In the UK, The Independent's Avi Shlaim says it's time for Obama to stand up to Israel. "Benjamin Netanyahu is a bellicose, right-wing Israeli nationalist, a rejectionist on the subject of Palestinian national rights, and a reactionary who is deeply wedded to the status quo," he writes. "If Obama cannot stand up to Bibi Netanyahu in defence of vital American interests, who will he stand up to? His own credibility as the leader of the free world is on the line."
The speech wasn't quite as lopsided as this article's focus perhaps suggests, and in fact there was lots of conservative handwringing about Obama's warnings against irresponsibly "loose talk of war" and frankness that a strike at this time wouldn't serve the best interests of either the US or Israel. Nonetheless, he made it clear that the Administration's policy is not containment.

The Atlantic's Jeffrey Goldberg, probably the US media's most prominent centrist on Israel (that's centrist in the American spectrum), interviewed Obama last week on the Israel-Iran standoff and the US' role in it. Well worth reading if you're following the topic: Obama to Iran and Israel: 'As President of the United States, I Don't Bluff' - Jeffrey Goldberg - International - The Atlantic
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Am I completely and totally missing something here? What exactly is "immoral" about providing health services to employees to begin with? How do people look at their religion and find something about "providing health care goes against God's word" or whatever?

And I too would like to know just how far this exemption goes.

Seriously. I don't get this.
Unfortunately Mrs Springsteen never gives the sources of her articles but I'm sure you'd find this one was written by someone partial to Obamacare. Let me rewrite it and see if that helps.

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By a vote of 51-48, the Senate agreed to table a Republican amendment offered by Sen. Roy Blunt (R-MO) that would have allowed employers to deny coverage of contraception to their employees on the basis of personal moral objections.
Now somehow, prior to this whole debate, 99 percent of women have used birth control at some point. So the argument isn't about restricting birth control or denying women "health services," the argument is about whether employers can be mandated by the federal government to provide (and all American's made to pay for) contraception at no cost to the woman.
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(and all American's made to pay for) contraception at no cost to the woman.
A contradiction or a telling Freudian slip?
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Right, but certain preventive services are also required to be covered at no cost. part of the argument is that birth control is also preventive, so it should be included. Whether it's used for actual birth control or for whatever other medical issues BC helps.
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Unfortunately Mrs Springsteen never gives the sources of her articles but I'm sure you'd find this one was written by someone partial to Obamacare. Let me rewrite it and see if that helps
Uh, ok..I don't. I just make it all up. I think it was just on Yahoo But I'll make sure I do from now on, if that makes you happy. It wasn't written by MSNBC or Keith Olbermann or Sandra Fluke or Nancy Pelosi.

And I also think you're wrong about that, the Blunt Amendment would have allowed exemptions to go way beyond contraception. All you needed was a moral objection. Myriad of wide ranging possibilities there under the umbrella of HEALTH SERVICES. It was written that way, NOT just exclusive to contraception.

And I think you can stop putting contraception in quotes as being health care/services-just do a little research. That's offensive to me, might be offensive to some other women too.

Viagra is health care and health services too. Interesting.
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Uh, ok..I don't. I just make it all up. I think it was just on Yahoo But I'll make sure I do from now on, if that makes you happy. It wasn't written by MSNBC or Keith Olbermann or Sandra Fluke or Nancy Pelosi.
It was still loaded. Maybe no one else cares but I like to know who the author of articles posted is and who they work for.


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And I think you can stop putting contraception in quotes as being health care/services-just do a little research. That's offensive to me, might be offensive to some other women too.
I didn't put contraception in scare quotes I put them on health services as apparently "health services" not provided for free are "health services" that are being denied. And what "health services" must be provided at no cost is now whatever the hell the current Secretary of Health and Human Services mandates.

Just remember, someday that Secretary of Health and Human Services might be the toady of a bible and rifle-clinging conservative and do you really want that secretary in charge of your "health services"?

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Viagra is health care and health services too. Interesting.
??????? Don't know what you're getting at here but I'll bite because I'm feeling feisty. Viagra is used to treat erectile dysfunction caused by physical factors. Pregnancy is not, as far as I know, a dysfunction. And before you accuse me again of being uninformed I'm actually quite educated as to all the non-contraceptive uses of oral contraceptives (chiefly endometriosis, acne and metrorrhagia). And guess what? Even the Catholic church approves of their use for these indications. So again ???????? on raising (sorry), inserting (oops), ah... introducing Viagra to the argument.
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pregnancy is certainly a medical condition, though?

or maybe you want abortion used as birth control?
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pregnancy is certainly a medical condition, though?

or maybe you want abortion used as birth control?
And maybe a future Secretary of Health and Human Services will deem abortion a free "health service" under Article 45, section B1, clause 42..........................

Who's to argue? They wouldn't want to start another "War on Women" now would they?
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Right, but certain preventive services are also required to be covered at no cost.
"required." By whom? (or is it who?) The federal government? Under what authority?

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part of the argument is that birth control is also preventive, so it should be included.
So's toothpaste and coincidently 99% of American women have used that also (congratulations Kentucky women , you are the new 1%). So who's buying my Colgate from now on? And since it's free I want the one with mint stripes too!!
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You realize you don't need a prescription for Colgate, yes?
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Viagra is used to treat erectile dysfunction caused by physical factors. Pregnancy is not, as far as I know, a dysfunction.
Is being an ordinary 70-year-old ever a "physical factor"? And isn't ED only a problem in the first place if you're sexually active?

I don't have any problem with insurance covering Viagra. A healthy sex life is a goal worthy of medical support. Fertility management is part of that too.

I know you dislike Obama's healthcare reforms, period, as well as the system of employer-provided healthcare, period. I'm not talking about that here.
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plus viagra's actually taken each time you have sex. talk about slut shaming. "mr. brown, we only refilled your prescription five weeks ago. perhaps it's time to give mr. bojangles a rest, geeez!"
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