Obama General Discussion... (Part 2)

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I'm just wondering why J.C. Watts isn't President.

If all you need to be is a "black cowboy".
Much less a popular, young, reasonably good looking, black, conservative, a cowboy, a former quarterback even, man, he had more going for him than Obama. It's too bad he couldn't be more like Karl "can't string together a sentence" Malone. Great example there, D. Hey, as long as he's a black cowboy, right? Those of you who aren't sports fans, Karl Malone is notorious for being really, really countrified Cajun. He's pretty much a hick, straight up. Nice guy, though.

It's just too bad people like Tom Delay and other Rep. leadership turned J.C. away from the Republican party and politics in general with their divisive, exclusionary message. Guess J.C. didn't get the message that he was supposed to be the Black Hail Mary in 2008. Stupid principles, learn how to fit the 'black cowboy stereotype', J.C.
 
You are assuming way too much. To say that Obama is not focusing on the war is ridiculous, and how do you know how much time Obama has spent with his top general talking or focusing on the war?

:ohmy: I was just taking a little dig at the president. It's not ridiculous to suggest he's had higher priorities in the last 8 months.

BTW, McChrystal did tell CBS News how many times the president has spoken with him. Once.
 
ABC News' Ann Compton, Yunji de Nies and Sunlen Miller report:

President Obama will travel to Copenhagen this week to "seal the deal" for Chicago's 2016 bid for the Olympic games, the White House confirmed this morning.

After much back and forth, a White House official says the president decided to go at this late hour because the competition looks very close. The Obamas' hometown is in a tight final race with Spain, Tokyo, and Brazil. Leaders from all three countries are going to Copenhagen this week to lobby for their city's cause.

On Friday, members of the International Olympic Committee will cast final ballots in Copenhagen to determine the host country.

A lot of people say this is a waste of taxpayer money, not the actions of a president truly concerned about CO2 emissions and global warming or sends the wrong message about White House priorities during a war, recession and intense healthcare debate.

I say Screw the Olympics, fly wherever the hell you want, just get back the U.S. Grand Prix.
 
A lot of people say this is a waste of taxpayer money, not the actions of a president truly concerned about CO2 emissions and global warming or sends the wrong message about White House priorities during a war, recession and intense healthcare debate.

Who's a lot of people?

Olympics give huge boosts to economies.

As far as priorities, once again boost an economy, and how long is the trip? How is it going to take away from a war and healthcare?

If by "a lot of people" you talk of Rush and Beck, what were they saying when Bush started a war and then took 14 vacations a year?
 
A lot of people say this is a waste of taxpayer money, not the actions of a president truly concerned about CO2 emissions and global warming or sends the wrong message about White House priorities during a war, recession and intense healthcare debate.

Must be the same crowd that was upset at the taxpayer dollars spent on all that security down in Crawford and the endless weeks of brush clearing while war was waged abroad and good American soldiers were dying.

I support their principled concerns.
 
So Chicago is out.

There goes Glenn Beck's conspiracy theory that it was all rigged and the only reason Obama went is that it was already decided on, calling Obama corrupt.

Does he ever get tired of being wrong?
 
and this is a great point:

In the official question-and-answer session following the Chicago presentation, Syed Shahid Ali, an I.O.C. member from Pakistan, asked the toughest question. He wondered how smooth it would be for foreigners to enter the United States for the Games because doing so can sometimes, he said, be “a rather harrowing experience.”

that's some Patriot Act for 'ya. :up:
 
It's bittersweet. The Olympics in Chicago would have been nice in terms of "entertainment." I enjoy the Olympics and would have loved the opportunity to spend time in Chicago for the games. With that said, most Olympics tend not to be an economic boom for host cities. It would have indebted the city and probably caused another rise in taxes for them. Add the fact that Chicago has a crooked city government with "pay to play," and it may have been a good thing for Chicago not to get the games. I think it is embarrassing for Obama that they couldn't even get out of the first round of voting, but it's not a big deal to his standing in the long run outside of the righties crowing about it.
 
and this is a great point:



that's some Patriot Act for 'ya. :up:

Oh, but for every European or other tourist who doesn't enter on the visa it would've been very smooth. Just pay your ten bucks entrance fee in advance, while registering online before going on your flight, so that Florida can plaster our streets promoting the Everglades in return, and you're in. Oh, the extra income that would've generated. :drool:
 
What are you basing this on?:huh:

What analyses have you to provide to prove the opposite? Long-term benefits I mean.
I don't have the right answer at hand, but I wouldn't flat out say it's one way or the other just taking into account the ridiculous sums that are put into it from the very beginning. This presentation is likely to have cost a couple billion dollars already.
 
What analyses have you to provide to prove the opposite? Long-term benefits I mean.
I don't have the right answer at hand, but I wouldn't flat out say it's one way or the other just taking into account the ridiculous sums that are put into it from the very beginning. This presentation is likely to have cost a couple billion dollars already.

There was a report that came out at the beggining of the year when we knew Chicago was going to bid where the IOC claimed that the host city would rake in billions. This report refuted the claim that the IOC had made, did a break down and showed that it was a fraction of their predictions, but still WELL on the positive side(and the report noted that it did not factor in future tourism based on the world getting to see the city on their TVs). I've never in my life seen a report that showed a city going in any kind of longterm debt over the olympics, what would be the point of hosting it?

I mean basic economics says, influx of tourism and people = more money. If you design any new facilities for multi-purpose use, they pay themselves off.
 
O'Hare is a terrible airport, it's a legitimate question. Nothing to do with the Patriot Act, right?



agreed, O'Hare is terrible.

but it's more to do with the difficulty of non-white foreigners entering the US from Muslim different countries, the no-fly lists, etc.
 
but it's more to do with the difficulty of non-white foreigners entering the US from Muslim different countries, the no-fly lists, etc.

I'm sure Olympic delegations would get nothing less than the red carpet treatment, that is unless synchronized detonation were to become an Olympic sport.
 
There was a report that came out at the beggining of the year when we knew Chicago was going to bid where the IOC claimed that the host city would rake in billions. This report refuted the claim that the IOC had made, did a break down and showed that it was a fraction of their predictions, but still WELL on the positive side(and the report noted that it did not factor in future tourism based on the world getting to see the city on their TVs). I've never in my life seen a report that showed a city going in any kind of longterm debt over the olympics, what would be the point of hosting it?

I mean basic economics says, influx of tourism and people = more money. If you design any new facilities for multi-purpose use, they pay themselves off.

Basic economics, that reminds of the guy who asked the kebab diner owner to be open one more hour just for him since, you know, income. Well, such a basic understanding of economics as you described is not entirely innocent in leading to the situation we are now facing.
Estimating the Cost and Benefit of Hosting Olympic Games: What Can Beijing Expect from Its 2008 Games? | Industrial Geographer, The | Find Articles at BNET This article, by a Professor of Economics from Indiana State, and apparently somene who is specialised in sports economics, rather debunks such findings. How many more people are now coming to Atlanta? And considering that Chicago already is one of the most prominent and most visited cities in the US, how great would the advertising effect of the Olympic Games likely be?
It's not entirely foreign that cities, or entire countries even, are paying huge sums of money for only a fraction in return, hoping that the building up etc. would pay itself off.
 
I'm sure Olympic delegations would get nothing less than the red carpet treatment, that is unless synchronized detonation were to become an Olympic sport.

So we make any tourist from those countries part of the delegation?
Having gone through the visa process, I can understand that question from a Pakistani very well.
 
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