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Old 08-11-2009, 09:17 AM   #81
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I take it you never saw some of the protesting going on outside the whitehouse during the Bush Administration.
There are town hall meetings outside of the White House?
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Any body who studies history will know that during his time Abraham Lincoln was the worst president we ever had and very much hated as well. Now I'm not putting W in the same league as Lincoln but I feel that history will be kinder to him than the current generation.


that's a simplification of how Lincoln was viewed in his time, and when the country was literally being torn apart by civil war, i hardly think the Lincoln comparisons are accurate.

still, i think Bush's standing will improve incrementally, if for no other reason than he has no place else to go but up, and certain historians will try to make a name for themselves by writing a headline-grabbing book rehabilitating whatever presidency -- we saw this with Truman, Nixon, etc.

the fact remains that Bush's policies were disastrous, both at home and abroad, and for the GOP as well as they are now a party for old Southern white straight christian men, and he presided over the sinking of an American city. he chose to govern from the base and sought to win over precisely 51% of the electorate and he inflamed and exploited whatever cultural tensions exist in the US for political expediency.
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and for the GOP as well as they are now a party for old Southern white straight christian men, and he presided over the sinking of an American city.

Holy Shit! You actually call yourself a U2 fan? This has got to be the dumbest post in the history all message boards. Let go of the hate man.
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and for the GOP as well as they are now a party for old Southern white straight christian men, and he presided over the sinking of an American city.

This has got to be the dumbest post in the history all message boards. Let go of the hate man.


really?

go look at who votes GOP and who identifies as GOP in the post-Bush world.

nothing to do with hate and everything to do with shifting demographics and how most racial minorities do not vote GOP, and probably won't for a long time.
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There are town hall meetings outside of the White House?

If you werent in such a rush to be the smart aleck that you are you would have seen that I used the word protest. Next Time I'll write bigger so you can see ok!
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really?

go look at who votes GOP and who identifies as GOP in the post-Bush world.

nothing to do with hate and everything to do with shifting demographics and how most racial minorities do not vote GOP, and probably won't for a long time.

You gotta back this up with examples ok? So what your saying is that Mitt Romney is a southern Christian? He is white though.
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I'm not so sure what was wrong with that statement, Bruce. Are you suggesting that the Katrina fiasco was unavoidable? Even U2 makes note of this in "The Saints Are Coming" video, where the National Guard should have been aiding those in a sinking New Orleans, instead of being stuck in the fucking desert.

Are you sure YOU'RE a U2 fan?
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If you werent in such a rush to be the smart aleck that you are you would have seen that I used the word protest. Next Time I'll write bigger so you can see ok!
Mmm, I think you need to read what zooropop40 said a little bit better:

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Town hall meetings should be civil. People have legitamate questions and this is far too much of a serious issue for the protesters to be acting like babies throwing a tantrum when there is intelligent discussion to be had.

and then those people crying saying "I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!"
Not protests that happen on street corners organized by the internet, but actual places where you need a ticket to discuss issues with an elected official.

Calm down, friend, it's FYM.
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You gotta back this up with examples ok? So what your saying is that Mitt Romney is a southern Christian? He is white though.


oh, really? is that what i gotta do? thanks professor.
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I'm not so sure what was wrong with that statement, Bruce. Are you suggesting that the Katrina fiasco was unavoidable? Even U2 makes note of this in "The Saints Are Coming" video, where the National Guard should have been aiding those in a sinking New Orleans, instead of being stuck in the fucking desert.

Are you sure YOU'RE a U2 fan?

And I mentioned Katrina where?
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oh, really? is that what i gotta do? thanks professor.

Your making an absurd RACIST claim. The least you can do is back it up.
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And I mentioned Katrina where?


i mentioned Katrina. you said it was dumb to do so.
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I'm not so sure what was wrong with that statement, Bruce. Are you suggesting that the Katrina fiasco was unavoidable? Even U2 makes note of this in "The Saints Are Coming" video, where the National Guard should have been aiding those in a sinking New Orleans, instead of being stuck in the fucking desert.

Are you sure YOU'RE a U2 fan?

Don't let a video take away from the fact that plenty of the Guard, as well as Marines, Coast Guard, Navy, Army, and Air Force were fucking there.

The National Guard - Hurricane Katrina: National Guard’s Finest Hour
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i mentioned Katrina. you said it was dumb to do so.


Where did I say it was dumb to do so. My quote was that your southern white Christian comment was absurd. Dont twist things around ok.
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Your making an absurd RACIST claim. The least you can do is back it up.


what is racist about the fact that white men tend to vote Republican, and non-white people tend to vote Democratic?
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Where did I say it was dumb to do so. My quote was that your southern white Christian comment was absurd. Dont twist things around ok.


you quoted this that i had written:

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and for the GOP as well as they are now a party for old Southern white straight christian men, and he presided over the sinking of an American city.

and then you said the post was dumb.

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you quoted this that i had written:




and then you said the post was dumb.


Now if I change the words around in your post and use democrat and black then I'm a racist arent I?
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Don't let a video take away from the fact that plenty of the Guard, as well as Marines, Coast Guard, Navy, Army, and Air Force were fucking there.

The National Guard - Hurricane Katrina: National Guard’s Finest Hour
Not enough, apparently. It's not their fault. I don't blame them for anything.
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Wow, this discussion has really devolved, hasn't it. . .
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Now if I change the words around in your post and use democrat and black then I'm a racist arent I?


no, you'd be accurate.

people make their living analyzing voting trends. white christian men tend to vote Republican. young urban females tend to vote Democratic. urban black people tend to vote democratic.

i live in Washington DC, a city that's just under 60% black. it also has a large gay population, and a very young urban population. the city went upwards of 90% for both Kerry and for Obama. why? because the types of people who would choose to live in WDC are also the type of people who tend to vote for democrats.

this is all pretty basic stuff. Electoral Politics 101.
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