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Old 10-12-2009, 11:33 PM   #921
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Proof that conservatives still don't get it, have leadership or a clue...

And that they're always behind the times.
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Toymaker releases Michelle Obama doll - which is expected to outsell those of her husband |

I can get my Xmas shopping done early this year.
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The market was at 6500 in March.

Now it is at 9990, will break 10,000 soon.

Looks like Obama is leading the country to financial recovery.
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The market was at 6500 in March.

Now it is at 9990, will break 10,000 soon.

Looks like Obama is leading the country to financial recovery.
Eh, I don't know how much credit I give him for that. I've never been inclined to credit (or blame) the president for what happens in the economy.
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This could get interesting. Let's see if Obama yet again caves in to the far left.

Huff to Biden: Resign if Obama escalates Afghan conflict - Michael Calderone - POLITICO.com

If President Barack Obama escalates the “disastrous” war in Afghanistan, Arianna Huffington has some advice for Vice President Joe Biden: resign.

Planting The Huffington Post, her popular news and aggregation site, in an ever firmer place to the left of the Obama administration, Huffington cited the arguments Biden has made in private against Gen. Stanley McChrystal’s request for 40,000 additional troops in Afghanistan, and wrote that “if the president does decide to escalate, Biden, for the good of the country, should escalate his willingness to act on those reservations.”

Huffington’s attack on the escalation plans under consideration by the White House ran under a banner headline which said: “Arianna: Why Joe Biden Should Resign.”

While Huffington Post was decidedly pro-Obama in its 2008 campaign coverage, its editor-in-chief has not been afraid to take on his administration and the Democratic Congress. Just a few days ago, she told ABC News’s George Stephanopoulos that embattled Democratic congressman Charles Rangel should step down from his chairmanship of the Ways and Means Committee while under an ethics investigation.

A long-time conservative who was once married to a Republican congressman before she underwent an ideological conversion experience, Huffington has turned her website into a popular platform for liberal bloggers but bristles at the idea that there's only a left and a right viewpoint on hot-button political issues. And she’s adamant that her site will not simply carry water for the administration now. “There’s absolutely no way you’d call the Huffington Post a partisan defender of the Obama White House,” she told POLITICO in July.

Indeed, Huffington has been a fierce critic of both Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and top economic adviser Larry Summers. In March, it was Geithner who was in Huffington’s cross-hairs, and she also talked then about the need for a resignation. “[Use] any window dressing you want, just take the steering wheel out of Geithner's hands,” Huffington wrote, noting that “it might seem extraordinary to be calling for the resignation or demotion of President Obama's point man on our financial system.”

The following day, Huffington focused on the other high-profile economic guru. Her headline: “Larry Summers: Brilliant Mind, Toxic Ideas.”

When writing about the economic crisis, Huffington has targeted Wall Street, wagging her finger at both Republicans and Democrats. Similarly, she’s written critically of the lobbying industry—again, both sides of the aisle aren’t immune. And now, after talking about the need for resignations from top White House officials and a powerful Democratic committee chairman, Huffington’s latest column focuses on Biden, who she thinks should consider resigning out of principle, not because of incompetence or malfeasance.

“If Biden truly believes that we’re doing in Afghanistan is not in the best interests of our national security – and what issues is more important than that?” she wrote, then keeping his doubts to himself would not be enough. And once he resigned, she wrote, he “would then become the natural leader of the movement to wind down this disastrous war and focus on the real dangers in Pakistan,” she wrote.

“Obama may be no drama, but Biden loves drama,” Huffington wrote. “And what could more dramatic than resigning the vice presidency on principle? And what principle could be more honorable than refusing to go along with a policy of unnecessarily risking American blood and treasure — and America's national security?”

A top Biden aide declined to comment. A White House spokesman had no immediate response.
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"yet again"?

most on the "far left" -- by which we more accurately mean just plain old Left, there really aren't any far leftists in the US that have the ear of the president -- are disappointed at how mainstream, incrementalist, moderate, and cautious Obama has been.
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Despite being a liberal, how many "liberal things" has Obama done while in office? I'm genuinely curious.
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"yet again"?
Yeah, I'm baffled by this as well.

Diamond keeps showing us how he's letting down the left.

I know of at least two posters in here that think he's not doing enough.

Yet Rush, Hannity, and 2861 keep calling him radical?

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WASHINGTON (AP) — Sen. John McCain on Friday pressed President Barack Obama to give a posthumous pardon to Jack Johnson, the black heavyweight boxing champion who was imprisoned nearly a century ago because of his romantic ties with a white woman.

McCain, R-Ariz., and Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., noted in a letter to Obama that both houses of Congress this summer passed their resolution urging a pardon. After the vote, the lawmakers wrote to Obama in August asking him to issue the pardon.

"Regrettably, we have not received a response from you or any member of your administration," they wrote in Friday's letter, adding they hoped that Obama would be eager to "right this wrong and erase an act of racism that sent an American citizen to prison."

The White House declined to comment on the letter.

When he unveiled the resolution in April, McCain said he was sure that Obama "will be more than eager" to issue the pardon. On Friday, McCain said he was still confident the president would do so.

"The president's been very, very busy," McCain said in a telephone interview with the Associated Press. "Hopefully, this letter will be a kind of reminder that it's important to get it done. But I'm not critical of the president yet. We'll give him some time."

The senator said he hasn't personally talked to Obama about the issue.

"The conversations that I've been having with him have been on Afghanistan," he said. "But we'll see what result we get from this letter."

Johnson became the first black heavyweight champion on Dec. 26, 1908 — 100 years before Obama was elected the first black president. Johnson won the title after police in Australia stopped his 14-round match against the severely battered Canadian world champion, Tommy Burns.

That led to a search for a "Great White Hope" who could beat Johnson. Two years later, Jim Jeffries, the American world titleholder Johnson had tried for years to fight, came out of retirement but lost in a match called "The Battle of the Century," resulting in deadly riots.

Johnson was convicted in 1913 of violating the Mann Act, which made it illegal to transport women across state lines for immoral purposes. He fled the country after his conviction, but agreed years later to return and serve a 10-month jail sentence.

Filmmaker Ken Burns helped form the Committee to Pardon Jack Johnson, which filed a petition with the Justice Department in 2004 that was never acted on. His 2005 documentary, "Unforgivable Blackness: The Rise and Fall of Jack Johnson," explored the case against the boxer and the sentencing judge's acknowledged desire to "send a message" to black men about relationships with white women.

McCain and King — both of whom have done their share of amateur boxing — pushed similar resolutions in recent years but only this year were able to get it through both chambers of Congress.
McCain a champion for righting a racial injustice almost a hundred years ago.

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Has little really been said until now about the bogus bullshit Fox presents as news? I find this remarkable. Still, this made me laugh.



The White House goes Fox hunting

The White House goes Fox huntingARJUN RAMACHANDRAN
October 23, 2009 - 11:33AM .
Obama v Fox TV over racism
White House communications director Anita Dunn responds to accusations from FOX News host Glenn Beck.

Video feedbackVideo settingsHe came to power pledging to end one war - in Iraq - but US President Barack Obama has got himself embroiled in another - with Fox News.

In recent days the White House and the cable news channel have traded heavy blows, Obama's foot soldiers slamming Fox as "a wing of the Republican Party" and belittling it as "not a news organisation", while the network has hit back by calling the White House "vengeful" and "self-serving".

The bitter exchanges - most recently garnished by President Obama yesterday, who likened Fox to "talk radio" - have captured the attention of political pundits and US and international media.



Some say criticism of Fox News by Democrat leaders has been a long time coming, while others believe it makes President Obama and the White House look undignified.

Opinion is divided on who fired the first shot.

The White House contends that for months Fox News has attacked and misrepresented its staff and its policies, particularly in the fiery commentary of popular hosts Bill O'Reilly and Glen Beck.

"The reality is that at some point, the administration has to defend itself," White House communications director Anita Dunn said in an interview last week.

But it was Dunn's other comments in the same interview, on CNN, that lit the fuse in the most recent war.

"What I think is fair to say about Fox - and certainly it's the way we view it - is that it really is more a wing of the Republican Party," Dunn said.

"Let's not pretend they're a news network the way CNN is."

On another CNN program, White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel followed up with his own provocative observation: "It is not a news organisation so much as it has a perspective."

Similar comments were later made by senior Obama adviser David Axelrod.

Yesterday, even the President weighed in during an interview with NBC.

After initially trying to deflect attention from the issue - by saying Americans were more interested in his policies - Mr Obama relented: "I think that what our advisers have simply said is, is that we are going to take media as it comes.

"And if media is operating basically as a talk radio format, then that's one thing. And if it's operating as a news outlet, then that's another.

"But it's not something I'm losing a lot of sleep over."

Fox News - which operates under the tagline "fair and balanced" - has vigorously defended itself, arguing its mix of news and opinionated talkshows is no different to a newspaper with news and opinion pages.

"It's astounding the White House cannot distinguish between news and opinion programming ... it seems self-serving on their part," said Fox News senior vice president of news Michael Clemente.

"Hundreds of journalists come to work each day at Fox News all deeply committed to their craft. It's disappointing that the White House would be so dismissive of their fine work and continue their vengeful war against a news organisation."

Last week on his show, Beck placed a red phone on his desk, saying it was a hotline available to Dunn any time she thought something untrue about Obama was being said on his show.

"I don't think the White House actually wants a dialogue," Beck said. "They want to smear, isolate and destroy."

Some are critical of the White House for singling out a media organisation over its reporting.

"Whether or not you like Fox News, all of us in the press need to be concerned about the administration of President Barack Obama trying to 'punish' the cable news channel for its point of view," TV critic David Zurawik wrote in the Baltimore Sun.

ABC News senior White House correspondent Jake Tapper this week also stepped in on behalf of his "sister organisation", grilling White House press secretary Robert Gibbs about whether it was "appropriate" for the White House to make the sort of "sweeping declarations" it had made about Fox News.

Others said the feud tarnished the stature of the White House and the President.

"My experience has been when the White House engages in personal or organisational attacks, it elevates the other side to virtually the same level of the White House, which is not their intent," CNN commentator and former White House aide David Gergen said.

Others said the stoush could have politically disastrous outcomes for Democrat candidates in marginal districts who need support from independent voters who enjoy Fox News.

But yet another view suggests the epic battle between Fox and the President could reap winners from both sides.

Former Bill Clinton adviser Paul Begala even described the war as a "a mutually beneficial deal".

The argument goes that the White House's campaign against Fox News has allowed President Obama to again energise his supporters, who had been despondent at intense criticism of him over his healthcare plan and perceived lack of achievements since taking office.

Or, as respected British journalist and former Sunday Times editor Sir Harold Evans said on ABC's Lateline last night: "They are attacking Fox because it enables them to give some juicy meat to their left wing which is very concerned that Obama won't deliver [his healthcare policy] ... it's a diversion."

For Fox News, its personal battle with the President and the scrutiny of its reporting has delivered it a ratings bonanza.

News Corp chairman Rupert Murdoch was clearly unworried when informing shareholders about the controversy surrounding his Fox News network at an annual meeting last week.

"All I can tell you is that it's tremendously increased their ratings," he said.



Has little really been said until now about the bogus bullshit Fox presents as news? I find this remarkable. Still, this made me laugh.
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What is laughable is that article. The fact that we have a White House who is stalling on a troop decision, facing 10% unemployment, a collapsing dollar, an endlessly growing deficit, and a healthcare plan that more and more people don't want, yet they're choosing to spend their time going after the one outlet that doesn't kiss their behind and actually asks questions would be funny if it wasn't so embarrassing, as even people on the left realize.
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Barack Obama sees worst poll rating drop in 50 years - Telegraph

The decline in Barack Obama's popularity since July has been the steepest of any president at the same stage of his first term for more than 50 years.

Gallup recorded an average daily approval rating of 53 per cent for Mr Obama for the third quarter of the year, a sharp drop from the 62 per cent he recorded from April.

His current approval rating – hovering just above the level that would make re-election an uphill struggle – is close to the bottom for newly-elected president. Mr Obama entered the White House with a soaring 78 per cent approval rating.

The bad polling news came as Mr Obama returned to the campaign trail to prevent his Democratic party losing two governorships next month in states in which he defeated Senator John McCain in last November's election.

Jeffrey Jones of Gallup explained: "The dominant political focus for Obama in the third quarter was the push for health care reform, including his nationally televised address to Congress in early September.

"Obama hoped that Congress would vote on health care legislation before its August recess, but that goal was missed, and some members of Congress faced angry constituents at town hall meetings to discuss health care reform. Meanwhile, unemployment continued to climb near 10 per cent."

Governor Jon Corzine of New Jersey is in severe danger of defeat while Democrats are fast losing hope that Creigh Deeds can beat his Republican opponent in Virginia. Twin Democratic losses would be a major blow to Mr Obama's prestige.

Campaigning for Mr Corzine in Hackensack on Wednesday night, Mr Obama delivered a plea that almost seemed as much for himself as the local candidate: "I'm here today to urge you to cast aside the cynics and the sceptics, and prove to all Americans that leaders who do what's right and who do what's hard will be rewarded and not rejected."

Mr Corzine, a former Goldman Sachs executive and multi-millionaire, is currently running even in New Jersey, which is normally comfortably Democratic, while Mr Deeds is trailing badly in Virginia, a swing state that was key to Mr Obama's 2008 victory.

Mr Obama is also facing widespread criticism for his drawn-out decision-making process over what to do next in Afghanistan.

Republicans sense Mr Obama is in a vulnerable position and this week saw the return to the public stage of his perhaps most vehement opponent – Vice-President Dick Cheney.

In a blistering speech on Wednesday night, he accused Mr Obama of failing to give Americans troops on the ground a clear mission or defined goals and of being seemingly "afraid to make a decision" about Afghanistan "The White House must stop dithering while America's armed forces are in danger," Cheney said at the Center for Security Policy in Washington.

"Make no mistake, signals of indecision out of Washington hurt our allies and embolden our adversaries."

He hit out at Obama aides who suggested that the Bush administration had failed to weigh up conditions in Afghanistan properly before committing troops.

"Now they seem to be pulling back and blaming others for their failure to implement the strategy they embraced. It's time for President Obama to do what it takes to win a war he has repeatedly and rightly called a war of necessity."

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I guess that can only mean the number of racists in this country is growing. I see no other explanation.
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What is laughable is that article. The fact that we have a White House who is stalling on a troop decision, facing 10% unemployment, a collapsing dollar, an endlessly growing deficit, and a healthcare plan that more and more people don't want, yet they're choosing to spend their time going after the one outlet that doesn't kiss their behind and actually asks questions would be funny if it wasn't so embarrassing, as even people on the left realize.
The middle three (at the least) were all 'gifted' to this administration by the previous one. I guess Bush hit the Trifecta once again.

I remember some talk that Clinton staffers had 'trashed' the White House back in early 2001 just before the Bush inauguration.

The Bush administration went one better. They didn't just trash the White House, they trashed the entire country, and trashed Iraq as well for good measure.
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I guess that can only mean the number of racists in this country is growing. I see no other explanation.


no, but the people who fail to look at numbers in context seems to be rising.

at this point, Regan was at 57% and was set to drop further. at this point, Clinton was at 48%. they both got second terms. George H.W. Bush was pushing 70% and GWB was skyrocketing due to 9-11.

the remarkable fact is that Obama is in the mid-50s in the midst of the worse economic crisis since the great depression, a nearly 10% unemployment rate, and the inheritance of a colossal debt and two international debacles in Iraq and Afghanistan.

but keep trying. you'll find a ray of hope somewhere. and keep pointing towards Cheney as some kind of spokesman for the anti-Obama crowd. that's a man with a nearly statistically impossible disapproval rating, somewhere around 10%.
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I remember some talk that Clinton staffers had 'trashed' the White House back in early 2001 just before the Bush inauguration.
The truth about that one

is that it was a rumor based on nothing
it grew and grew
when they asked Bush White house about it, they would reply that they 'did not want to look back, they would rather focus on the future.'

Everyone was saying how magnanimous they were not harping on it. How much class they had.


They truth was nothing happened and all they had to do on day one is say nothing happened. Not correcting a falsehood is worse than lying.
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no, but the people who fail to look at numbers in context seems to be rising.

at this point, Regan was at 57% and was set to drop further. at this point, Clinton was at 48%. they both got second terms. George H.W. Bush was pushing 70% and GWB was skyrocketing due to 9-11.

the remarkable fact is that Obama is in the mid-50s in the midst of the worse economic crisis since the great depression, a nearly 10% unemployment rate, and the inheritance of a colossal debt and two international debacles in Iraq and Afghanistan.

but keep trying. you'll find a ray of hope somewhere. and keep pointing towards Cheney as some kind of spokesman for the anti-Obama crowd. that's a man with a nearly statistically impossible disapproval rating, somewhere around 10%.
Republicans threw away CONTEXT a looooooong time ago...
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no, but the people who fail to look at numbers in context seems to be rising.

at this point, Regan was at 57% and was set to drop further. at this point, Clinton was at 48%. they both got second terms. George H.W. Bush was pushing 70% and GWB was skyrocketing due to 9-11.

the remarkable fact is that Obama is in the mid-50s in the midst of the worse economic crisis since the great depression, a nearly 10% unemployment rate, and the inheritance of a colossal debt and two international debacles in Iraq and Afghanistan.

but keep trying. you'll find a ray of hope somewhere. and keep pointing towards Cheney as some kind of spokesman for the anti-Obama crowd. that's a man with a nearly statistically impossible disapproval rating, somewhere around 10%.
Nobody can deny that Obama's approval rating is falling, more people respond "no" then "yes" when asked if they agree with Obama on the major issues, most people think we are not doing what it takes to win in Afghanistan, etc. And by the way, Carter was also pushing 70 at this time and Nixon was in the low-60s. That's all the "context" I need, but whatever you need to explain Obama's growing unpopularity...

And where do I make Cheney the spokesman for the anti-Obama crowd? Though I won't dispute the fact that he's doing a good job of it. Cheney's approval numbers are near 40, which beats, say, the current Senate Majority Leader and the Speaker of the House.
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