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Old 09-13-2009, 10:50 AM   #621
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also, there weren't no 2 million people.

ten thousand, maybe. which is impressive.
abc news is reporting 60-70,000. i think those are dcfd numbers



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And all of their parents are on Medicare.
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Millions are marching on DC protesting this administration.

Up to two million march to US Capitol to protest against Obama's spending in 'tea-party' demonstration | Mail Online

FYMers:

"Outside IT'S AMERICA
Outside IT'S AMERICA"

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Are you not embarassed?

"Millions" who don't know the true definition of communism.

"Millions" who don't understand how are current healthcare works.

"Millions" who just all of a sudden get concerned about spending...

"Millions" who are just flat out uninformed...

I'm embarassed.
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americaaaaa!

http://www.breitbart.tv/go-home-dc-c...g-live-report/
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Wow, a WWHD sign... these people are brilliant.

I don't get it, why would you want to revel in ignorance? It's not something to celebrate.

You've shown your true colors guys. Thanks.
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The tea party folks are the brightest crayons in the box, are they?
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we've seen that, by all measures, the economic condition of the country worsened due to that administration's policies. so i would expect that if these individuals are truly concerned with the direction of the country and have a sober take on the role of government then they should certainly be very, very angry with the previous president who created these enormous deficits by fabricating wars.
1. Debt as a percentage of GDP on average was lower during the Bush years than the Clinton years. The poverty rate on average was lower during the Bush years than the Clinton years. The unemployment rate and inflation rate were both very similar. The only real lead Clinton years have on Bush years is in the average GDP growth rate of 5.8% to Bush's 4.8%.

2. Spending on national Defense, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, combined per year, is lower as a percentage of GDP than Defense spending during the peacetime of the Reagan Years. Barack Obama's current Secretary of Defense, Robert Gates, has brought up this point several times this year in response to concerns about the size of the defense budget.

3. The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were not fabricated and both resulted from serious ongoing security problems in both countries. But that may be hard for some to realize if they remain uninformed about what was happening in these area's prior to Bush coming into office.
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Elections have consequences.

Elections are the only poll that matters.

Deal with it.

(Is that not what all the anti-war libruls were told for 8 years?)

Strongbow said this for years on here but is now claiming that what he was really saying was that for national security and defense purposes only, elections matter and polls don't. For non-national security purposes, apparently polls do matter after all. Or some spurious post-hoc justification like that, I don't really understand it.
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The only real lead Clinton years have on Bush years is in the average GDP growth rate of 5.8% to Bush's 4.8%.
I think that when discussing economics, you make far too much of blunt instruments like GDP comparisons, but, in any case, these figures imply that the increase in GDP experienced in the Clinton years was fully 25% higher than that experienced in the Bush years.
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spending billions upon billions of on a war in iraq that was not needed, nor legal didn't upset these people, but healthcare for all citizens of their country does?
Well many of them already recognize and understand the necessity of removing Saddam from power and are being joined by a growing number of people who feel the same way.

If you want to argue that the world would be safer and more secure with Saddam in power, go ahead. But its a rather difficult arguement to make, and not one to many are making anymore.

As for the legality of the war, it was authorized by multiple UN resolutions, and then the occupation that resulted from the war was approved EVERY YEAR by the United Nations. Illegal? I don't think so.

Not a single country even tried to get a resolution passed calling for the withdrawal of coaltion forces when the invasion began, in total contrast to the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, or the Russian invasion of Georgia.
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these figures imply that the increase in GDP experienced in the Clinton years was fully 25% higher than that experienced in the Bush years.
Like I said, the only real lead for Clinton over Bush when going over the full 8 years of both administrations.
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Not a single country even tried to get a resolution passed calling for the withdrawal of coaltion forces when the invasion began, in total contrast to the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, or the Russian invasion of Georgia.
Russia acted to protect its people from Georgia militia, financed by neo-cons, launching ethnic cleansing attacks on them. Quite right too. The justification for Russia acting against the Georgian militia was far higher than the US/UK had for invading a sovereign country, violently removing its government, and killing 600,000 civilians.
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Russia acted to protect its people from Georgia militia, financed by neo-cons, launching ethnic cleansing attacks on them. Quite right too. The justification for Russia acting against the Georgian militia was far higher than the US/UK had for invading a sovereign country, violently removing its government, and killing 600,000 civilians.
LOL, I see you believe Putins Bullshit. There are virtually no ethnic Russians in South Ossetia, but there are ethnic GEORGIANS and OSSETIANS. Every country in the world recognizes that South Ossetia and Abakazia are apart of Georgia. The only country that recognizes these area's as being inedpendent or not apart of Georgia is Russia.

The only people that have been ethnicly cleansed from South Ossetia are GEORGIANS! Are you really going to tell a Georgian whose family has lived in South Ossetia for centurys that they have no right to live there? After all, South Ossetia is apart of Georgia.

The Russians had no justification for invading Georgia and nearly overruning the capital. Russia does not really care about South Ossetia's, except how it can use it as a tool to keep Georgia out of NATO and expand its influence in the region.

The coalition invasion of Iraq on the other hand was authorized by multiple UN resolutions and removed a government that was in violation of 17 UN Security Council Resolutions passed under chapter VII rules of the United Nations. Saddam's regime was guilty of using WMD hundreds of thousands of times, invading and attacking four different countries in the region unprovoked, failing to cooperate with the UN on verifiable disarmament of WMD, just to name a few things.

The two actions are not even remotely comparable in terms of justification.

Although you and many liberals out there would like to believe that 600,000 people have died in Iraq, that is gross and inaccurate over-estimate of the number who have died from a war that became necessary because of one persons regime, SADDAM's.
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LOL, I see you believe Putins Bullshit. There are virtually no ethnic Russians in South Ossetia, but there are ethnic GEORGIANS and OSSETIANS. Every country in the world recognizes that South Ossetia and Abakazia are apart of Georgia. The only country that recognizes these area's as being inedpendent or not apart of Georgia is Russia.

The only people that have been ethnicly cleansed from South Ossetia are GEORGIANS! Are you really going to tell a Georgian whose family has lived in South Ossetia for centurys that they have no right to live there? After all, South Ossetia is apart of Georgia.

The Russians had no justification for invading Georgia and nearly overruning the capital. Russia does not really care about South Ossetia's, except how it can use it as a tool to keep Georgia out of NATO and expand its influence in the region.

The coalition invasion of Iraq on the other hand was authorized by multiple UN resolutions and removed a government that was in violation of 17 UN Security Council Resolutions passed under chapter VII rules of the United Nations. Saddam's regime was guilty of using WMD hundreds of thousands of times, invading and attacking four different countries in the region unprovoked, failing to cooperate with the UN on verifiable disarmament of WMD, just to name a few things.

The two actions are not even remotely comparable in terms of justification.
You have zero credibility left on issues regarding discussions on military actions and alleged justifications therefore. I find Putin more credible than you, when it comes to down to it. However, I don't need to be a believer in any way in 'Putin's bullshit' to give credibility to what I stated, which is backed well informed sources.

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Although you and many liberals out there would like to believe that 600,000 people have died in Iraq, that is gross and inaccurate over-estimate of the number who have died from a war that became necessary because of one persons regime, SADDAM's.
That is a lie. The estimate is from well sourced independent sources. If anything, it is conservative. Also, your implication that I and other anti-war people would like there to have been a lot of casualties in Iraq in order to vindicate our anti-war stance is utterly offensive. You have hit a new low, with that one.

When did you discover I'm a liberal by the way? I wasn't even aware of it.
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See, reveling in ignorance...
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You have zero credibility left on issues regarding discussions on military actions and alleged justifications therefore. I find Putin more credible than you, when it comes to down to it. However, I don't need to be a believer in any way in 'Putin's bullshit' to give credibility to what I stated, which is backed well informed sources.
Well, how about actually saying something about the issue yourself instead of whining about whether you believe Putin or someone posting at interference.


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That is a lie.
Sorry, its not.

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The estimate is from well sourced independent sources. If anything, it is conservative.
Sorry, but the lancet study is not well sourced. Its an extrapolation of a small pool of actual data. Far more accurate are sources that actually connect the event, actual death, body, and name of the person.

Reminds me of the so called Massacre in Jenin, West Bank. "Sources" claimed hundreds if not thousands murdered by the Israeli Defense Force. After UN experts investigated, they found that only two dozen innocent civilians had been killed, all the result of accidents.

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Also, your implication that I and other anti-war people would like there to have been a lot of casualties in Iraq in order to vindicate our anti-war stance is utterly offensive. You have hit a new low, with that one.
I apologize, but the pushing of such wildly inaccurate numbers at first just seems very suspicious.

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I did not say YOU were a liberal, just that YOU AND many liberals have used such wild figures before.
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And now more women around the world will be alive and independent. I know that's not anything you support, diamond, but I do.
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Ibut the pushing of such wildly inaccurate numbers at first just seems very suspicious.
I don't understand or accept for a second why the Lancet would be viewed as a politically motivated source.

If you have better figures, let's see them.


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I did not say YOU were a liberal, just that YOU AND many liberals have used such wild figures before.
Right.
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And all of their parents are on Medicare.
My 70-something year-old dad told me he didn't want the government in his healthcare. Unfortunately, it seems his old, white man brain is now being heavily influenced by Rush, et al. I am sad.
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