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Old 08-22-2009, 11:36 AM   #321
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Old 08-22-2009, 01:38 PM   #322
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I would think the capitalist in you would appreciate it...
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I am helping to support my son, who's been out of work for 7 months. It's everything I can do to keep his spirits up and with what he can on unemployement compensation.
If he takes a job for less than what he had, he can't live on his own. He will not be able pay child support, insurance, rent and utilities. His ex-wife is truly pissed off. I can understand this, but I also see his point. He has to make a certain amount or he can't live on his own. He's welcomed to live with me, but who wants to do that?
The jobs are not here, yet. He has 3 more months of unemployment. He is freaking out.
So am I.

Edited to say: he has no health insurance.
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You think that's bad?

MSNBC Edits Story to Fit Agenda - Red Eye w/ Greg Gutfeld - FOXNews.com

So on Tuesday, we talked about the black dude who showed up in Arizona where Barack Obama was speaking, armed to the teeth. We all agreed that despite his actions being legal, it was still nuts.

There are many things in life that are legal, but inappropriate if done in public. Don't ask me how I know this.

But this leads me to MSNBC, where on Tuesday, Contessa Brewer filed a report about health care protesters showing up armed. In it, she used tape of that same black guy with a rifle and said this:

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CONTESSA BREWER, MSNBC: And the reason we're talking about this, a lot of talk here, Dylan, because people feel like, yes, there are Second Amendment rights for sure, but also there are questions about whether this has racial overtones. I mean, here you have a man of color in the presidency and white people showing up with guns strapped to their waists or to their legs.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

But, like I said, the guy was black. But you never would have known, because MSNBC strategically edited the tape, so the race of the armed dude wasn't revealed.

If you look at the tape from Tuesday, clearly you can see the man who goes by the name "Chris" is African-American.

So why did MSNBC go way out of its way to obliterate the race of "Chris"?

Because it didn't fit the story MSNBC wanted to tell: That if you disagree with Obama, you must be a white crazy person with guns — even if you're black.

Look, there were millions of people angry at Bush and the media never seemed to worry if their own vicious anti-Bush rhetoric would foment hate.

Even more, I also resent that my opinion, enraged or not, can be dismissed as racism. Fact is, I've been against Obama's policies back when they were Hillary's policies and even before that, when they were Ted Kennedy's and Jimmy Carter's.

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I'm with you on this one. That's pretty unnecessary.
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You think that's bad?


I find it effing hilarious that Fox News is even attempting to publicly go after another station for editing stories to fit an agenda. If ever there were a case of the pot calling the kettle black, this is it.

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Old 08-23-2009, 04:30 PM   #327
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This is really great. So great, comedy could never get even close. Fox News of all stations is complaining about another "news station" being partisan and editing a news in an obvious manner.
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Old 08-23-2009, 04:47 PM   #328
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I'm a liberal but I cannot stand MSNBC and never watch it. It's so blatantly partisan, that I get sick just trying to watch it. I don't like being told what to think; I like balance and impartiality and then I can make up my own mind.
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I feel the same. Call me old-fashioned but I still believe the news should report things, not shape them. Both MSNBC and Fox News fail any journalistic standards. I think the trends towards 24 hour news shows its dangerous and ugly face in these two channels especially.
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The only person I know who actually watched MSNBC on a regular basis was a conservative ex-girlfriend of mine
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I am starting to think - and I used to be very sceptical of this thesis - that a fair proportion of the criticisms directed at Obama are fundamentally based on racist bias.

I don't understand how it is remotely possible to complain about the deficit that Obama 'created', when anyone with an ounce of commonsense knows it was largely the fault of the previous administration.

There's certainly a lot of legitimate critiques that can be made of Obama, but creating the deficit isn't one of them.
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Well, the White House was only off by 28% on their deficit.

Our foreign debt holders must be thrilled.
I haven't see a word from you before about the deficit. I didn't see a word from you about the deficit during the Bush years.

I've been trying to warn anyone that will listen for years now about the exanding government. That's why I tried to advocate for Ron Paul's campaign on FYM. It's 'cos real conservatives are - I'd like to think - consistent. I don't want to be harsh on you, as I don't think you're a complete Kool Aid drinking neo-con, but it's really a bit late in the day for neo-cons to join the limited government party. Where were you lot in 2000-2008?

As for the foreign debt holders, they weren't thrilled in 2006/07 either.
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I don't understand how it is remotely possible to complain about the deficit that Obama 'created', when anyone with an ounce of commonsense knows it was largely the fault of the previous administration.

There's certainly a lot of legitimate critiques that can be made of Obama, but creating the deficit isn't one of them.
No, Obama didn't "create" the deficit, and I don't hear anyone on the conservative side saying that. Bush absolutely created the deficit. What I do hear legitimate criticism of, and rightfully so, is the great extent to which Obama has increased the deficit, and the fact that he has spent more money than anyone in history, and in such a short amount of time, no less.

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I am starting to think - and I used to be very sceptical of this thesis - that a fair proportion of the criticisms directed at Obama are fundamentally based on racist bias.
You sure you want to go down this path? Because the people making this argument only seem to end up looking like fools, using the race card themselves. Did you hear what David Patterson said the other day?
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I am starting to think - and I used to be very sceptical of this thesis - that a fair proportion of the criticisms directed at Obama are fundamentally based on racist bias.

I don't understand how it is remotely possible to complain about the deficit that Obama 'created', when anyone with an ounce of commonsense knows it was largely the fault of the previous administration.

There's certainly a lot of legitimate critiques that can be made of Obama, but creating the deficit isn't one of them.



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I see Obama doing quite a few things that piss off the ultra Liberals, I'm starting to like him more and more.
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No, Obama didn't "create" the deficit, and I don't hear anyone on the conservative side saying that.
Maybe you are not listening close enough...


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You sure you want to go down this path? Because the people making this argument only seem to end up looking like fools, using the race card themselves.
Do you honestly believe race isn't a factor? Do you not remember the tea partier's signs about "go back to Africa", Rush's "magic negro", your own use of the race card?

It's A LOT bigger than your 1% prediction, I think maybe you are so use to it that you don't recognize it...
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Maybe you are not listening close enough...
Give me one person who is saying that there was a budget surplus when Bush left office.

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Do you honestly believe race isn't a factor? Do you not remember the tea partier's signs about "go back to Africa", Rush's "magic negro", your own use of the race card?

It's A LOT bigger than your 1% prediction, I think maybe you are so use to it that you don't recognize it...
When did I use the race card? I'll ask you, then- do you think my dislike of Obama has anything to do with the color of his skin?

The "go back to Africa" signs (if any) are not representative of how conservatives feel. Were liberals who called Bush Hitler and a terrorist representative of liberals? Because it's the exact same thing. The race card has been used ten times as much in the Democratic Party. Did you hear what David Patterson said?
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Give me one person who is saying that there was a budget surplus when Bush left office.
Not what I said... Maybe the reason you reworded the premise is that you know there are folks out there saying Obama created this deficit? cough cough Hannity


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When did I use the race card? I'll ask you, then- do you think my dislike of Obama has anything to do with the color of his skin?
I've shown you a couple of times how you were the very first poster to mention race in here when Obama was running for president. But, no I do not think your dislike has to do with the color of his skin...


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The "go back to Africa" signs (if any) are not representative of how conservatives feel. Were liberals who called Bush Hitler and a terrorist representative of liberals? Because it's the exact same thing. The race card has been used ten times as much in the Democratic Party. Did you hear what David Patterson said?
If any? Come on, we showed you plenty of those signs. Of course they are not representative of all conservatives, but they are a very vocal part right now, which is very unfortunate.

I do think race plays a part, like I said earlier, I know for a fact that there are a lot of conservatives that fear they are losing their status quo, and they would not be protesting if it was McCain pushing for healthcare reform. I honestly think most conservatives do not understand the arguments against healthcare reform, in fact they secretly know it needs to occur but are just towing the party line. I think most would be cheering if it was McCain doing this. This is why there is no real strong argument against.

Now that being said, I do think some cry out "racism" all too often and when not warranted.

No, I did not hear what David said.
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I believe Gov Patterson said that people are being more critical of him, and Deval Patrick, just because they are African American-that they still have a more difficult time in high positions in politics. That's just general paraphrasing, I can't remember exactly what he said.

People are critical of Deval Patrick because he has done a very poor job (in my opinion he has and the polls suggest that many people have that opinion)-it has zero to do with his skin color, other than for racists. I don't know about Gov Patterson, I don't follow what he does but I imagine it could be the same for him.
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It's worse than that-he says it's some sort of racially motivated plot

Paterson Accuses Media Critics of Racism in Trying to Push Him Out - Gothamist

For whatever the NY Post is worth..

http://www.nypost.com/seven/08232009...ard_186100.htm
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