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Old 08-11-2009, 10:12 PM   #201
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Boo Obama

I voted Libertarian.

The Bill of Rights and The Constitution,

he seems to be trashing it all.


What do you think?
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Kenyans are known for their hatred of freedom.
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so you're for a war with russia?

sorry, but the US trying to be the police of the world and being involved in other countries affairs is partially why we are in this economic mess, AND why 9/11 happened, whether you want to admit it or not.
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The administration pursued policies of economic, political and security development in both Afghanistan and Iraq, and while difficult, produced amazing success's in both countries.
Objectively this is untrue. This is not simply a matter of debate or opinion. Your above statement is simply false on any level that makes sense in the really real world that exists outside of neo-'conservative' delusional fantasy and fairy tales.

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In the United States, the Bush administration achieved the lowest average poverty rate of any administration since the 1970s. It also had an average unemployment rate and inflation rate equal to the Clinton administration. GDP growth was also similar. Although it will be hard to believe, the countries national debt level as a percentage of GDP under Bush on average was less than that under Clinton. .
It was built on an unsustainable bubble. How difficult is this to grasp? Only someone that has not read any financial news media in the past two years could declare, in the blase fashion that you have above, that Bush's administration was an economic success.
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I voted Libertarian.

The Bill of Rights and The Constitution,

he seems to be trashing it all.


What do you think?
You only uphold the Constitution when it fits your agenda, that's what I think.
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Old 08-11-2009, 10:51 PM   #206
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Exactly! Democratic Socialism is not inherently evil. It works great in Europe... |
Er, where in Europe exactly?
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If you're really curious.

Sounds like another 'I love Israel so, so much but not quite enough to actually live there' kind of book.

Edit: Ok, I was thinking of a different Mark Levin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Levin
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Sounds like another 'I love Israel so, so much but not quite enough to actually live there' kind of book.
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Actually, I was wrong. I thought it was the same Mark Levin as the filmmaker of the same name who it turns out seems a decent kind of cove and not the fanatical Zionist I might have suspected. But whatever. It gets complicated.

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As far as how the project affected Levin, he believes that, on one hand, it reinforced an "abiding mistrust of organized religion" that he's had for some time. "Sometimes I wonder if more have been saved by God or slaughtered in the name of God. The toll is millions - not just Jews, but Catholics fighting Protestants, Sunnis against Shiites, Hindus against Siks." It's a tad ironic, then, that the experience of making Protocols has changed how he personally regards his own Jewish identity; he says he's become more familiar with and deeply connected to Judaism. "And yet amongst all races and religions, there are also so many unknown courageous heroes and martyrs who struggle for the age-old ideals of peace, justice and love," Levin adds.
GreenCine Daily: Marc Levin and the <i>Protocols</i>.
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The Bill of Rights and The Constitution,

he seems to be trashing it all.
huh??? please explain to me why you think this?
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Old 08-11-2009, 11:17 PM   #211
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...and the people who are saying: "Government- get your hands off my Medicaid!"
An important editorial:

Wonkette : Important Editorial: If Stephen Hawking Lived In The U.K., He Would Be Dead
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I have always thought the left and centre in the US gives away too much ground from the get go by even allowing public funding for healthcare to be termed 'socialised healthcare', because it sounds like socialism, which is de facto 'A Bad Thing' (TM). I mean, no-one talks about 'socialised transport care'.

I take it these right wingers are consistent and want to tear up the publicly funded highways and tear down all the town halls, etc? In order to remain morally pure, America must surely immediately do so, and allow the innovative and resourceful free marketers to take over (for example) road and public transport entirely. Any water and other public utilities must immediately be stopped as this is another form of creeping communism. There may be some short term problems with water supplies being cut off and citizens rioting but the great, all knowing free market will solve this with no difficulty. Indeed, in many countries around the world, such as Somalia, such a free market system has been proven to show great benefits.

Of course, if we are to be consistent, the free marketers must compensate the government at a fair market value for any roads, public utilities, etc, that they take over, which I'd imagine would prove a difficult economic model to justify. I'd like those against public healthcare to show me how they are going to make their privatised transport care system work. And privatised military and police forces for that matter. Why not privatise the judiciary while where at it, I'm fed up of these communist judges taking OUR MONEY.

A narrative that might work better from the advocates of pubicly funded healthcare is to point out that physicians working in the private healthcare system in US are among the highest paid (the highest paid full stop?) in the world, so whither the argument of the government trying to take our money, increase our taxes, and subject us to a socialised bureaucracy of highly paid government workers (Communist Nazis!!)?
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Watching these people yell and scream at these congressional Town Hall meetings and listening to Hannity, Glenn Beck and the like

it is very easy to hear what they are really saying.



Just cut and paste it in

www.babelbullshittranslator.com

it always translates to something like:

"I am so fucking angry there is a Negro in the Whitehouse. I swear I'm gonna lose it."
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haha.

I cant believe people dont realize that Stephen Hawkings lives in the UK and receives UK medical treatment.

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are you sure about that?

I always see him on American T V. (I never see him on my BBC channel)
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are you sure about that?

I always see him on American T V.
yes.
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lets be fair, "right wingers" arent the ONLY ones out there at these meetings protesting.

i think it's good people are getting together and yelling and stirring shit with these politicians. maybe they'll finally get the message that the people are pissed off and we arent going to take their bullshit anymore.
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lets be fair, "right wingers" arent the ONLY ones out there at these meetings protesting.

i think it's good people are getting together and yelling and stirring shit with these politicians. maybe they'll finally get the message that the people are pissed off and we arent going to take their bullshit anymore.
I don't know...

Yes, there are those pissed off on all sides(when is that not the case?); he hasn't done enough for gay rights, Gitmo isn't shut down yet, he's a socialist, he's black, he's going to take my gun, etc etc etc...

But the only people I've seen at these paticular protests are the tea party, AM radio is where I get my news crowd. The more I listen and watch them the more I actually start to feel sorry for them, so I won't say anymore.
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U.S. Militia Groups Growing

some pretty interesting comments on the bottom
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U.S. Militia Groups Growing

some pretty interesting comments on the bottom
Interesting and scary all at the same time...
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