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Old 03-01-2011, 06:53 PM   #801
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Wow, total dog whistle to a certain type of over-50 voter. Wow.

Surprised this came from Huckabee, to be honest.
As am I, a bit, considering he said in a recent interview that he didn't believe that and thought those who believed it were "misguided", so to speak.

I'm dead serious, can we PLEEEEEEEEEEEEASE tell anyone repeating this inane crap to just shut the hell up already?

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Of course it was a calculated "misspeak", but it just goes to show how even the GOP presidential runners are aware of how paranoid and misinformed a big portion of their base is.
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Mike Huckabee truly, properly repulses me, but you're right, the quote and the clarification say far more about what he assumes of his base than anything about himself.
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As am I, a bit, considering he said in a recent interview that he didn't believe that and thought those who believed it were "misguided", so to speak.
What he'd called "misguided" was the case that Obama was born abroad and thus ineligible to become POTUS--so yesterday's statement doesn't necessarily contradict that position. But, for Americans who A) are old enough to remember the 60s and B) were keenly aware of race politics during that time, any mention of "Mau Mau" would instantly trigger a series of associations. Racist 1950s British popular films and novels about savage, bloodthirsty Mau Mau slaying innocent Anglo settlers (the Mau Mau's victims were in fact overwhelmingly fellow Africans) trickled down to the US, where both white supremacists and black nationalists adopted the Mau Mau as a rhetorical symbol. In the former case, this was to fan paranoia about violent Negro mass revenge, perhaps with Soviet backing--the FBI's COINTELPRO project often referenced the threat of an "American Mau Mau," and the US-Kenya student exchange program which brought Obama's father here was an Eisenhower Administration attempt to counter Soviet propaganda that the US was the true power behind British colonialism in Africa (just don't let them see the South!). In the latter case, the "Mau Mau" image was embraced as a swaggering, nose-thumbing show of defiance at the white establishment--Malcolm X proclaimed a "Mau Mau in Harlem," and a notorious self-styled black 'paramilitary' group of the day was "The Mau Mau Society."

Of course, Americans under 40 don't remember any of this, and unless they're history majors will almost certainly draw a total blank at any mention of "Mau Mau," let alone what a Kenyan anticolonial uprising in the 50s has to do with President Obama's policy platform. So he's definitely aiming for a specific audience here. But the idea that he only "accidentally" cited this whole string of interrelated events which just happen to have strong resonance for US racial politics at the height of their turbulence--bullshit.
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Of course, Americans under 40 don't remember any of this, and unless they're history majors will almost certainly draw a total blank at any mention of "Mau Mau," let alone what a Kenyan anticolonial uprising in the 50s has to do with President Obama's policy platform. So he's definitely aiming for a specific audience here.
Which is funny, because while older people might be familiar with the history you cited there, his audience who believes such claims about Obama probably are also the type who aren't exactly interested in delving deeper into such historical stories, shall we say.

Fascinating stuff there. That is new to me, we never really talked about that in school. If ever the day comes when I wake up and all this racial bullshit is no more, I will truly believe I'm in heaven.

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Didn't Dinesh D'Souza write a book saying Obama has that anti-colonialism attitude towards Europe, and that explains his "communist" beliefs?

Certainly sounds like Huckabee is trying to appeal to the angry white population, but he's just making an ass out of himself in the process.
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^ Yes, he wrote a book called The Roots of Obama's Rage (Glenn Beck loved it), which bypasses boring old Obama-as-tax-and-spend-liberal interpretations in favor of the more exotic proposal that Obama is obsessed with resurrecting his long-lost father's failed struggle against the Evil White Man and his predatory ways, which the son shall win by destroying his own country from within. I suppose it's possible that's where Huckabee is drawing this from (well, not the 'grew up in' Kenya part), although D'Souza's standing in the conservative world took a nosedive several years back once he started arguing the position--which he still does--that Islamist hostility to the US is caused by our own culture's prominent sexual immodesty, which conservatives should therefore focus on curbing. Since then, mainstream conservative pundits have largely relegated him to the 'interesting, but loony' bin.

Back when the book came out, I remember there was a hilarious parody of it by another Indian-American (D'Souza comes from Mumbai) making the rounds, where the author basically did to D'Souza exactly what D'Souza did to Obama--he took known facts about D'Souza's family and caste background, then used those to create a boneheadedly deterministic portrait of D'Souza as a snooty Lusophone Brahmin driven by rage at the loss of his folk's privileged place in colonial India to the lower-caste Hindu/Muslim rabble empowered by the independent Indian state.
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Huckabeeeeeeeeee laying the groundwork of the "he's not one of us" meme rhetoric for the 2012 election.

Taking at least one or two pages from Hill Hill's playbook



Heaven forbid America have a genuine "sand nigger" as President, one day.
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Oh, for fuck's sake....

First off, Huckabee says, "I never said he was born in Kenya or Indonesia or anywhere other than Hawaii, where he claims to have been born." How about you just say, "other than Hawaii, where he was born"? And, "I never said he wasn't born here, I just think he's anti-American"-oh, well, my apologies, then, 'cause that's SO much better!

Second, all that mocking of the journalists for "getting it wrong", well, the overall sentiment that you're insinuating things that aren't true is right. And if you're tired of those journalists who "can't read" getting your quotes about this issue "wrong", here's a thought: next time somebody asks you if you believe Obama was born somewhere other than the U.S., how about just not responding at all? Or telling them to ask another, more pertinent question? Or how about just saying, "He was born in the United States." and leaving it at that?

Third, I'm confused as to how his father's supposed views of the British mean that Obama is anti-American (and my family didn't go to rotary club meetings, either! Gasp! Guess we're not completely "true Americans"! WTF?).

The fact that people who think like this breed frightens me.

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^Yes.

Yes.



and Yes. If we are going to micromanage fetuses, now, let's micromanage sperm, too.
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Huckabeeeeeeeeee laying the groundwork of the "he's not one of us" meme rhetoric for the 2012 election.


all they've got is racism.

that's why the smart ones are sitting this election out.
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The thing about Huckabee's Kenya/anti-imperialism thing that baffles me is that he uses the example of anti-British imperialism as if it was a bad thing for Kenyans to feel.

As I recall, America's founding fathers felt pretty strongly about British imperialism, too.
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So, what is it, GOP? Why are we supposed to hate Obama? Can you all at least get your story straight so you have some credibility?
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As I recall, America's founding fathers felt pretty strongly about British imperialism, too.

yes, but they were white and thus didn't need imperialism.

others, however ...
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yes, but they were white and thus didn't need imperialism.

others, however ...
Basically. You would think Huckabee/Fox News would be able to concentrate attacks on the actions of Obama as president. Instead, they're trying to paint a picture of Obama as entirely un-American as if he was marked from birth. Through all this nonsense about Kenyan anti-imperialism and Indonesian madrassas, the running undercurrent is "be afraid of people who aren't just like you." Never a concrete connection between his past to how he has governed, just insinuations and conjectures that have little grounding in reality but easily sway the gullible and intolerant.
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Basically. You would think Huckabee/Fox News would be able to concentrate attacks on the actions of Obama as president. Instead, they're trying to paint a picture of Obama as entirely un-American as if he was marked from birth. Through all this nonsense about Kenyan anti-imperialism and Indonesian madrassas, the running undercurrent is "be afraid of people who aren't just like you." Never a concrete connection between his past to how he has governed, just insinuations and conjectures that have little grounding in reality but easily sway the gullible and intolerant.


yes, but he has a funny name. Barack Hussein Obama? come on -- how many Americans do you know who have a name like that?






on a serious note, Obama was pretty much raised by white people, he went to the finest prep school in Hawaii, and his grandfather fought for Patton and liberated concentration camps at Buchenwald.

please -- tell me this is something other than racism. not specifically "i hate n*ggers" southern-style racism that's as old as America itself. this is a bit more complex, probably more akin to xenophobia.
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Seriously. The right can deny it 'till the cows come home, but it's way past time to face this. Once again, if we expect everybody in every other group out there to denounce the actions and words of their extremists, expect it of the liberals and the Muslims and the blacks and whatever, then fair's fair, so conservatives, it is WAAAAAAAAAAAAY past time you start doing the same. Right?

You can't downplay this anymore. You really can't. It's too entrenched, for one thing, to sweep it under the rug, and for another, it's beyond scary. There are people stating these beliefs who are in potential positions of power, if not actually in power already. This needs to be dealt with. Now.

Also, Mark, heh, really, no kidding, there's an idea .

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not specifically "i hate n*ggers" southern-style racism that's as old as America itself. this is a bit more complex, probably more akin to xenophobia.
In retrospect, I guess Huckabee's pronouncements on Israel/Palestine--which are far-right even by Israeli standards, and have often made my jaw drop--may be more revealing of how he rationalizes conflicting worldviews than, say, his seemingly thoughtful responses to the Rev. Wright controversy. It is strange that he sympathetically describes Wright as shaped by a particular chapter in US history (segregation), dismisses Wright-equals-Obama thinking--even pointing out one could take fire-and-brimstone clips from Huckabee's own past preachers to make him look extreme too--yet then turns around and suggests the experiences of Obama's father (whom Obama saw just once after infancy) and grandfather (whom he never met at all) were somehow profound influences on his outlook, with their "Mau Mau" Muslim Kenyan anti-Westernismcolonialism...? But then, fiery black-church preaching is a stereotype Huckabee's familiar with and doesn't find foreign at all; whereas Wright's far less radical ex-congregant, who however had a Muslim atheist Kenyan father and white globe-trotting anthropologist mother and lived in Indonesia a few years as a kid...now, that's exotic. And the way Huckabee talks about Israel is kind of reminiscent of this: his "policy" unabashedly comes straight from his reading of the Bible--all of Palestine belongs to Jews because God gave it to them ("[I]t goes back to Isaac and Ishmael," he's helpfully explained) so it's really the Saudis or maybe Egyptians who ought to make room for their Arab brothers--yet, despite such impeccably anti-Arab anti-Muslim "pro-Israel" sentiments, unlike practically every other presidential aspirant out there, he's never cultivated relationships with AIPAC-linked Jewish groups, and drops gems like this about the, um, clearly limited contacts with Jews he does have: "I was the only goyim [sic] in the entire group! If you’ve been around a lot of Jewish people, particularly from New York, they tend to be very opinionated, very animated. I felt like I was sitting between Barbra Streisand and Woody Allen—it was really interesting, it was surreal!” Everything seems to get cinematized, and I don't mean that in some deft PR-genius way.

My guess is this will only make mainstream conservatives even more wary of him, though (at the ballot box--not necessarily on Fox). Plus, Limbaugh already dislikes him big-time, doesn't he?
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"I was the only goyim [sic] in the entire group! If you’ve been around a lot of Jewish people, particularly from New York, they tend to be very opinionated, very animated. I felt like I was sitting between Barbra Streisand and Woody Allen—it was really interesting, it was surreal!”


oy! that's a wonderful quote. amazing how Jews are now, to the far right, and mostly because of Israel (which is really more code for anti-Muslim) and Israel's willingness to kick some ass, no longer Christ-killers but actually God's "special people" -- exotic creatures bestowed with wondrous gifts who need to be fiercely protected from the savagery that exists around them. of course, payback will come when it's time to build the temple, but until then, it must be quite unusual to suddenly have "most special kid brother" status.

in all seriousness, most Establishment republicans have to be a little wary of Huckabee. he really does appear to believe in the Rapture, and to not believe in evolution. and while that may make the base lick their chops, i still think there's enough mainstream voters in the primaries who are going to go with "most electable" like they did with McCain in '08 and like the Dems did with Kerry (instead of Dean) in '04. if Palin gets in there, her fight becomes with Huck, leaving the door open for Romney.

and taking a longer look at him, even if Chris Christie throws his hat into the ring, he'll turn out to be Giuliani -- the base isn't going to have much time for a pro-choice, pro-gun control Soprano cast member.

i still think, today, it's Romney's to loose.
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March 4, 2011 02:00 PM EST

Mike Huckabee walked back his criticisms of actress Natalie Portman for "glamorizing" out-of-wedlock pregnancies Friday, with a statement insisting he was only talking about society and that he's glad the Oscar winner plans to wed her baby's father.

It's the second time in a week that Huckabee, who suggested in the initial comments that the starlet was "boasting" about being unmarried and a mom, has walked back or explained away something he said during his book tour.

"In a recent media interview about my new book, A Simple Government, I discussed the first chapter, 'The Most Important Form of Government Is a Father, Mother, and Children,' " Huckabee said, referring to his appearance on The Michael Medved Show.

"I was asked about Oscar-winner Natalie Portman's out-of-wedlock pregnancy," he added. "Natalie is an extraordinary actor, very deserving of her recent Oscar and I am glad she will marry her baby's father.

"However, contrary to what the Hollywood media reported, I did not 'slam' or 'attack' Natalie Portman, nor did I criticize the hardworking single mothers in our country," he said.

"My comments were about the statistical reality that most single moms are very poor, under-educated, can't get a job, and if it weren't for government assistance, their kids would be starving to death. That's the story that we're not seeing, and it's unfortunate that society often glorifies and glamorizes the idea of having children out of wedlock."

In the Medved interview, Huckabee never addressed the subject of Portman marrying her fiance and father of her child, Benjamin Millepied, saying, "People see a Natalie Portman or some other Hollywood starlet who boasts, ‘we’re not married but we’re having these children and they’re doing just fine'...I think it gives a distorted image. It’s unfortunate that we glorify and glamorize the idea of out-of-wedlock children."

A representative for Portman didn't immediately respond to a request for comment.


at first, i thought Huck was just upset because he was really pulling for Annette Benning to win the Oscar for her well-written lesbian-motherhood dramedy, and took his disappointment out on poor Natalie, one of those "New York" Jews who's Harvard-educated and everything and probably very opinionated and animated, too. but, really, it was about the plight of black and hispanic children.
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