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Old 01-25-2011, 10:28 PM   #621
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Michelle, what a laughing stock, how does ANYONE take her seriously?
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I think there are plenty of people on both sides who do this...
The left sucks at this. They throw a bad quote out, wait for Stewart to say something, then apologize.

The right do this multiple times a week.
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The GOP of the United States has convinced me that all of America is too far right. Thanks, GOP. You've made me lose faith in any right side of America. I would move out of this country if it wasn't for my family.
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Michelle, what a laughing stock, how does ANYONE take her seriously?
I honestly don't even know.

I think that's the thing that bugs me the most about public conservative figures like her, or the Fox News people (whom I saw a clip on TV about last night, they were getting ALL offended over the Cohen quote and Meghan Kelly actually had the audacity to say that people on Fox never make Nazi comparisons. Cue numerous clips to the contrary; clearly the people who work there don't watch their own channel, it seems), or whatever. It's not the simple fact that they're conservative. That is honestly the least of my worries about them. So Fox wants to present a right-wing counterpoint, fine, whatever, go for it.

No, it's the fact that they embody the absolute worst kind of conservatism and make the Republican/conservative mindset look bad. They seem to revel in their ignorance and stupidity and hypocrisy. If I were a Republican, a conservative, I'd be deeply embarrassed that THESE PEOPLE, the Limbaughs, the Palins, the Bachmanns, the Hannitys, the Becks, the Santorums, etc., are the ones who are supposedly speaking for my side. I'd much rather listen to an Andrew Sullivan, or a PJ O'Rourke, or somebody of that nature, on conservative beliefs.

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At stake right now is not who wins the next election — after all, we just had an election. At stake is whether new jobs and industries take root in this country, or somewhere else. It's whether the hard work and industry of our people is rewarded. It's whether we sustain the leadership that has made America not just a place on a map, but the light to the world.
Hear that, politicians? I'm not holding my breath that they'll listen to this, but man, it sure would be nice if they did.

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That responsibility begins not in our classrooms, but in our homes and communities. It's family that first instills the love of learning in a child. Only parents can make sure the TV is turned off and homework gets done. We need to teach our kids that it's not just the winner of the Super Bowl who deserves to be celebrated, but the winner of the science fair. (Applause.) We need to teach them that success is not a function of fame or PR, but of hard work and discipline.
Yep.

Interesting transcript, thanks to AliEnvy for sharing it (I sadly didn't get a chance to see the speech this evening, but should it pop up online I'll check it out). I like the outline topic about the American Dream and there's some good suggestions in there about how to work towards being a stronger, more efficient country again, not so much for the sake of inspiring other countries, even, just for our own sake. I hope, over time, we can start working on at least some of the things suggested here.

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Didn't watch it, watched a basketball game instead. Oh well, Obama's a basketball fan and he plays basketball.
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i think Sting makes charts for Michelle Bachmann.
I thought you meant Sting the singer but now I know you meant...

It's been a very long winter
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Unlike Michele Bachmann. Who isn't even looking at the right camera.
Except she was looking into the right camera. Many lazy people in the media (and in this forum, apparently) clearly didn't understand what was going on.
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Except she was looking into the right camera. Many lazy people in the media (and in this forum, apparently) clearly didn't understand what was going on.
Yeah, i didn't get that either.

People focus on the wrong stuff, it's kind of worrying.

Did you find her over-simplification and partisan use of statistics, or her tone irritating?

Maybe I read too much into things, but her elocution was pretty patronizing.
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Did you find her over-simplification and partisan use of statistics, or her tone irritating?

Maybe I read too much into things, but her elocution was pretty patronizing.
Bingo. I couldn't give two fucks about what camera she's looking into. I just want to talk about how everything she was saying was wrong.
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Except she was looking into the right camera. Many lazy people in the media (and in this forum, apparently) clearly didn't understand what was going on.


we know this now, but her producers really suck if they can't address such a simple issue as this.

but no camera, web or not, is going to make her any less of a national embarrassment/blind prophet.
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we know this now, but her producers really suck if they can't address such a simple issue as this.

but no camera, web or not, is going to make her any less of a national embarrassment/blind prophet.
 
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but no camera, web or not, is going to make her any less of a national embarrassment/blind prophet.
From the NY Times:

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Last week, Bachmann was in Iowa, setting off alarm bells about her possible presidential ambitions and delivering a speech in which she claimed that the founding fathers had “worked tirelessly” to eradicate slavery. She then cited John Quincy Adams, who was not a founding father.

Bachmann is not a zealous fact-checker, as we learned when she claimed the president’s trip to India would cost the taxpayers $200 million a day, based on an Indian newspaper report quoting an unnamed provincial official. In the real world, many founders, like Thomas Jefferson, expressed reservations about slavery but still kept hundreds of slaves, who were the basis of their personal wealth. Others, like John Adams, never owned slaves and opposed the institution but compromised on the matter of all men actually being created equal in order to bring the southern states into the union. And not a single one of the signers of the Declaration of Independence envisioned in any way, shape or form a democracy in which people of Michele Bachmann’s gender would sit in the halls of Congress.

But Bachmann was speaking to the lore of the far right, which strips the founding fathers of their raw, fallible humanity and ignores the fact that, in some ways, we’re wiser.

Maybe she’ll make Sarah Palin look good.
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Russo was kind of dumb to go on Matthew's show in the first place. It's like those liberals that call up Limbaugh. You know you're going to be shouted down, you know you're going to be made to look like a fool, why would you set yourself up like that?

I concede it was amusing to see a conservative on the receiving end of these kinds of tatics for a change. I still don't feel that Matthew's approach in this interview does much to elevate the tone of discourse.

Bachman's speech was absurd though.
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I still don't feel that Matthew's approach in this interview does much to elevate the tone of discourse.

Bachman's speech was absurd though.

imho, it was appropriate to the situation. what she was suggestion -- essentially, turning George Washington into Jesus, or the deification of the "founding fathers" -- is so incredibly offensive, that the only possible response is derision. the woman not only doesn't have any grasp of history, worse, she *thinks* she has a grasp of history, but only enough to twist it to her own devious ends. she deserved to have her knuckles rapped, and she got it.

she and Matthews also have a history. i know that Matthews annoys many, not least some people in here, but i find his love of (and knowledge of) history and of the political game itself to be so compelling that i'll excuse his jaunts into hyperbole if it produces such an epic smackdown of a politician who revels in her own willful stupidity.
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imho, it was appropriate to the situation. what she was suggestion -- essentially, turning George Washington into Jesus, or the deification of the "founding fathers" -- is so incredibly offensive, that the only possible response is derision. the woman not only doesn't have any grasp of history, worse, she *thinks* she has a grasp of history, but only enough to twist it to her own devious ends. she deserved to have her knuckles rapped, and she got it.
No doubt.

But she'd already dug her own grave. Russo could have been called to account without the shouting down and interrruping.

My issue is not with the substance of what Matthews said, it's his approach. This is straight of the Hannity/Limbaugh playbook. And I get why they--and Matthews--do it. It's entertaining. Heck, I admit it, I was entertained. It would have been much more boring to allow Russo to finish his attempts to change the subject before asking him the same question again.

I just question whether we really dislike the Fox News ethos because of their approach, or just because we dislike their views.
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