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Old 12-30-2010, 04:37 PM   #561
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So how did START and DADT make it through then?
... What? What does that have to do with my point?
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... What? What does that have to do with my point?
Well, if the Republicans in the Senate are the party of no, and out to prevent Obama from passing anything, START and DADT would not have made through. Their passage proves that you can pick up two Republican Senators, in fact more than two!
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two major things in two years, one of which was essentially a human rights issue, and the other one having it's foundations back with the tea parties messiah?


that isn't a supporting argument, buddy.
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two major things in two years, one of which was essentially a human rights issue, and the other one having it's foundations back with the tea parties messiah?


that isn't a supporting argument, buddy.
Well, perhaps thats because there can't be any argument against the idea that "Obama is a great leader who has been blocked by the evil "party of no" Republicans at ever turn. LOL
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Well, perhaps thats because there can't be any argument against the idea that "Obama is a great leader who has been blocked by the evil "party of no" Republicans at ever turn. LOL
Is your world really this black and white?

Have you never understood nuance in your life?
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Is your world really this black and white?

Have you never understood nuance in your life?
Nuance has a known liberal bias.
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Nuance has a known liberal bias.
The word nuance sounds French. Nuff said.


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Is your world really this black and white?

Have you never understood nuance in your life?
Well, you should be asking yourself these questions. Afterall, I'm not the one suggesting that its impossible for Obama to get two Republican Senators to go along with him on any issue. I'm not the one claiming that the Republicans are just the party of NO.
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Afterall, I'm not the one suggesting that its impossible for Obama to get two Republican Senators to go along with him on any issue. I'm not the one claiming that the Republicans are just the party of NO.

No, but I'm the one that understands that no other minority congress has acted like this in our country's history...
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Well, you should be asking yourself these questions. Afterall, I'm not the one suggesting that its impossible for Obama to get two Republican Senators to go along with him on any issue. I'm not the one claiming that the Republicans are just the party of NO.
We're not saying impossible, just really fucking difficult.
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fucking difficult.
so sorry
keep at it
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(CNN) – At the start of President Obama's third year in office, a new poll indicates that the president's approval rating is on the rise.

A Quinnipiac Poll released Thursday showed Obama's approval rating at 48 percent - nearing the 50 percent approval rating he has not held since October 2009.

Obama continued to receive high marks from his own party with an 85 percent approval rating among Democratic voters in the poll. Across the aisle, 84 percent of Republican voters disapprove of the job the president is doing. Independent voters disapproved of the president 46 to 41 percent.

Obama also received positive marks when compared to his predecessor: asked whether Obama is a better president than George W. Bush, 43 percent of voters indicated they thought he was, while 37 percent did not.

Regarding the president's policies, health care continued to be a contentious issue among voters.

In two separate questions, which allowed for any answer, voters were asked to name the president's best and worst achievements while in office. Twenty-six percent of voters named health care as the best thing the president has done, while an almost equal amount (27 percent) said health care is the worst thing he has done.

The Quinnipiac University poll was conducted from January 4 – 11 and includes interviews with 1,647 registered voters by telephone. The poll has a sampling error of 2.4 percentage points.

A CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released last month also showed the public was split on how Obama has handled his duties, with 48 percent saying they approve and an equal amount saying they disapprove.
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in several polls he's above 50%. watch it continue to climb, barring any unforeseen events.
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I think we've just seen how a master works. I tend to be lukewarm on most of Obama's speeches because, unlike Bill Clinton, he can't really sustain the "this is worth hearing, America!" impetus unless he really crafts the speech well. He's not really an applause-line speaker (though that does seem to be what he aims for most of the time), but a Kennedy-esque "coiner" whose greatest strength is the philosophy of his phraseology. Lines like "We are the ones we have been waiting for" make you pause, think, reflect - not stand up and cheer, necessarily - and stick with you well beyond the speech and even the context. When Obama doesn't do that, when he's just lecturing or doing his "fired up, ready to go" bit, he's really not particularly great.

But what Obama did in Tucson was a magic trick. For one thing, he was able to maintain the gravitas of his message not only despite the crowd, but at times even heighten it because of the crowd--such as when he sort of laughed about how the guys tackled Loughner, as though it was such a heroic act that even he couldn't believe it, turning a routine ceremonial thanks into something more personal. (He also managed to maintain his tempo evenly throughout the 30 minutes, which is difficult to do even if you don't have impromptu cheers interrupting you and urging you in a campaign-style atmosphere). For a speech that (presumably) wasn't designed for a pep-memorial, he made it work remarkable well.
Secondly, he kept a fine balance between addressing the victims and addressing the nation--it would have been easy for this to turn into a "look at me, I have compassion for normal people" photo-op, and on the flip side, have it be a crass political speech using the dead as cover.

But if you look at the speech as a whole, it's truly remarkable what an illusion Obama pulled off. Even as I was listening to it, I was somewhat perturbed by Obama's theme on "rather than pointing fingers or assigning blame"--a tacit rebuke of Democrats' criticism of Sarah Palin, despite the fact that no Democrat of any consequence has actually assigned the blame on anyone but Loughner; if we cannot scream at the top of our lungs at someone who is, for whatever reason or intention, whatever effect or consequence, indicating that people be "targeted" by the masquerade of a gun-sight, then what sort of healing can be expected when the eliminative harm-mongers can scream at the heal-mongers all they want?
Yet as Obama's speech unfolded, realize what he did: he led, by example. His speech was about community, brotherhood, love, understanding, listening, caring, healing, and yes, hope--all the things that are anathema to the world-view the Palinites are trying to espouse. Obama effectively took the rug out from under them, baring to the American people the soul of this Stalin, this Hitler, this death-panelist, and showing us that he is none of those things. You want to call Barack Obama Hitler? Then show me Hitler's Tucson.
So while Obama's words were more condemning of the Democratic discourse of the past few days, the speech itself was a ringing rebuke of all the Republican delusions, the delusions that the Democratic government is evil, that it's full of Manchurian candidates and sleeper agents and gran'ma-smotherers, that it's on the verge of turning America into the Union of the Third Reich of Kenyanistan. In one fell swoop, Obama pulled his entire party away from the brink of confrontation with a weaponized political lunacy and stood, alone on a stage, staring all the hordes down, like Wyatt Earp at the OK Corral, daring them to draw their guns and aim their sights and try to take him down, that no cross-hair or brandished gun can stop the power of love and hope, that no bullet can defeat the strength of the human spirit to open its eyes, and that there is no hate that cannot be washed away by rainpuddles.

I am glad that this man is our President.
Looking at the speech in this framework, I can only hope that it does mark the decline of some of the vitriolic rhetoric that's been aimed his way. Or at least a decline in the efficacy of that rhetoric.
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That's a great way of putting it. Anyone who didn't find themselves touched by his speech last night...well, I honestly don't know what to say about them.

I just watched it online. I'm still wiping tears away.

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such as when he sort of laughed about how the guys tackled Loughner, as though it was such a heroic act that even he couldn't believe it, turning a routine ceremonial thanks into something more personal.
I really loved the way he did that. And I also loved when he talked about those who lost their lives, his recaps of their lives were short and sweet and summed up each person perfectly. Each one felt special and was delivered appropriately for each respective person-you could easily picture him saying the exact same things about them if he were doing eulogies at their individual funerals. I wish I could've met and known these people.

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(He also managed to maintain his tempo evenly throughout the 30 minutes, which is difficult to do even if you don't have impromptu cheers interrupting you and urging you in a campaign-style atmosphere)
I was impressed he kept his tone and tempo so even given the fact he had to talk about people who lost their lives. He seemed to get particularly emotional when talking about Christina...you just know he was thinking of his own daughters when mentioning her, realizing that they're not too much older than she was, thinking about them at that age. But he still kept his composure somehow.

His comments on family and fleeting life were perfect, too. And I think it would do this country a world of good to perhaps look at things through a child's eyes again. Couldn't hurt.

And I have no problem whatsoever with the way the crowd reacted through the speech. They've earned the right to cheer and let loose some feelings of happiness for a few minutes. Besides that, what other kind of reaction are you supposed to give people who manage to tackle a gunman and rob him of his weaponry?

Superb speech. Absolutely beautiful. Perhaps the best one he'll probably deliver his entire time as president.

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I think he's the most moving speaker I've heard since Henry V at the battle of Agincourt. Of course King Hal had the best speech writer in history.

The thing that stands out to me is his impeccable timing. He speaks like Sinatra sings, with flawless instinct and timing. He knows when to be plaintive, when to be thoughtful, when to ignore the cheers and turn up the volume.

I was in Mile High stadium for the acceptance speech and I was glued to my television in 2004 when he spoke at the DNC. This speech was great, but those shook the earth.
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Henry V did it on horseback without a tele-prompter.
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I was in Mile High stadium for the acceptance speech and I was glued to my television in 2004 when he spoke at the DNC. This speech was great, but those shook the earth.
Hey I was in Denver too that glorious evening! I will never forget it. Remember the soft breeze floating around the stadium and the perfect weather that felt to me like the spirit of Dr.King, JFK, RFK were there joining us in that incredible moment? I continue to be moved so much by this man. Like others described such as NBC's Savannah Guthrie who is a Tucson native, she said the feeling in the arena was electric and people were hungry for something to cheer for.

All I can say is bravo, and if I know one thing, it's that thoughts and prayers have been answered and manifested in this exceptional human being, our President Barack Obama. I for one will continue to pray for his protection and level headed calm zen-like wisdom. Lead on Sir, lead on!

Here is a clip of the Denver 2.5 min ovation he got when he walked out to ...oh ya... his campaign song..U2's COBL!! I was sitting in the same area. At one point halfway through you can hear the stadium rumble from the foot stomping going on like a U2 show! This was amazing! It did feel like we had united the energy of good for a time that night.

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The thing that stands out to me is his impeccable timing. He speaks like Sinatra sings, with flawless instinct and timing. He knows when to be plaintive, when to be thoughtful, when to ignore the cheers and turn up the volume.

what i also love is how he's able to express complexities in a clear way, without dumbing them down.

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"And if, as has been discussed in recent days, their deaths help usher in more civility in our public discourse, let’s remember that it is not because a simple lack of civility caused this tragedy, but rather because only a more civil and honest public discourse can help us face up to our challenges as a nation, in a way that would make them proud."
he accomplishes so much in this single, dexterous sentence. he acknowledges the tragedy, acknowledges what is being said about the tragedy, what is true and what isn't true about what was said, and then asks us to elevate ourselves from this tragedy in order to properly memorialize this tragedy. he essentially refocuses the conversation with just this. and, evidently, he wrote most of it himself.

agree or disagree with his policies, but you really cannot dispute the depth of his intellectual understanding of the issues, or of emotions.
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