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Old 09-10-2010, 04:39 PM   #201
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Thanks to him the era of big government is back.
Um... big government has been here for quite some time.

That article makes so many leaps in logic and gigantic assumptions based on little but already existing bias, that I find it quite hard to take seriously. I mean, are you seriously arguing (with astonishingly little actual evidence) that Barack Obama is simply taking his father's views as his own on everything? Come. On.

That and how poorly it's written.
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Just a little insight into the author:

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D'Souza has often stated his belief that idealizing the rebellion against slavery is a source of disability among some African Americans. He speculates that slaves, to preserve a sense of dignity, in the circumstances of slavery, would by nature tend to be defiant. This defiance would become the central heroic reference for African-American slaves, restoring a degree of pride and dignity to all. But, he continues, the price of this would be the habitually ingrained attitude of defiance that is ultimately self-destructive. He extends his belief that these self-destructive habits still have a legacy today. D'Souza contends that the degree to which many slave descendants suffer from social and self-esteem issues is due to this concept.[citation needed]

D'Souza has attributed many modern social problems to what he calls the "cultural left". In his recent book The Enemy at Home: The Cultural Left and Its Responsibility for 9/11, he wrote that:

The cultural left in this country is responsible for causing 9/11 ... the cultural left and its allies in Congress, the media, Hollywood, the non-profit sector and the universities are the primary cause of the volcano of anger toward America that is erupting from the Islamic world.[12]
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So what's driving his hostility to private enterprise?
Hostility? Seriously?

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Yet he wants to spend even more and is determined to foist the entire bill on Americans making $250,000 a year or more. The rich, Obama insists, aren't paying their "fair share." This by itself seems odd given that the top 1% of Americans pay 40% of all federal income taxes; the next 9% of income earners pay another 30%. So the top 10% pays 70% of the taxes; the bottom 40% pays close to nothing. This does indeed seem unfair--to the rich.
Awwwwww, poor rich people, you all suffer so . Gimme a break.

I'm not an expert on the accurate numbers about how much rich people pay, but, um, didn't seem like they've been suffering all that much in recent years. The fact that they're rich kind of implies they've got a good ton of money on them. Yeah.

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Obama's rationale, that "our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable," seems utterly irrelevant to the issue of why the proposed Cordoba House should be constructed at Ground Zero.
Actually, no, it's not irrelevant, it's quite relevant. Part of the uproar is over misunderstandings about Islam and the intent of the Muslims who wish to put a center there. Supposedly, if this author is a fan of the idea of "American exceptionalism", the reason we're so exceptional is because we would allow such different things to exist alongside each other in peace here, whereas other parts of the world may not.

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Obama supports the Ground Zero mosque because to him 9/11 is the event that unleashed the American bogey and pushed us into Iraq and Afghanistan. He views some of the Muslims who are fighting against America abroad as resisters of U.S. imperialism.
...uhhhhhh...the hell?

That was a really, really strange article. On so many levels.

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Obama just spoke at the Pentagon to remember 9/11 and now shakes hands. Watching CNN.

I remember 9 years ago. I was at work, read news on the internet and called my ex-gf to turn the tv on.. she told me she just saw the tower going down.

With all the remembering of the terrible things that happened, it is only fair to remember 100,000 people died in the Iraq war, started by Bush. Afghanistan still is a hellhole, the recently leaked documents on wikileaks prove it.

Oil cripples the whole planet. War, corruption, spills, environmental holocaust.. and people still drive their cars.
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With all the remembering of the terrible things that happened, it is only fair to remember 100,000 people died in the Iraq war, started by Bush.
Its only fair to remember that the Iraq war was started to remove SADDAM, a dictator responsible for the murder of over 1 million people. Removing Saddam was a necessity and has had a positive effect on security in the region, especially with respect to the persian gulf states. While Iraq has had a difficult time transitioning to a new order, it now has a bright future ahead of it filled with enormous opportunity, which would not have been possible at all if Saddam's regime were still in power.

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Afghanistan still is a hellhole, the recently leaked documents on wikileaks prove it.
Afghanistan has seen far worse times than this, but since the Americans were not on the ground then, those times don't matter, don't exist to certain people.
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Its only fair to remember that the Iraq war was started to remove SADDAM
No, it wasn't.

And that's the entire point.
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No, it wasn't.

And that's the entire point.
Really, so what was the US military's objective on March 19, 2003 as they entered Iraq?
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That's a good question. Lord knows we got about 10 different reasons from the Bush administration as to why we were going there.

Anywho, man...9 years. In some ways it doesn't seem that long, and in some ways it does. I was in school that day-we pretty much did nothing but watch/listen to coverage the whole time. I remember, though, for gym class we took a walk around the path near the school, and I looked up at the brilliantly blue, nearly cloudless sky and the sun and thought, "This doesn't compute. Shouldn't dark clouds be rolling in and the ground swallowing us up or something now?" I also remember some lady seeing us walk by and coming out on her porch and announcing the president had been sent to the base in Omaha. I was living in northwestern Iowa at the time. That, I think, is when the fear finally kicked in (the entire day I was mainly in shock), 'cause I didn't know what the hell that meant.

We do need to wean ourselves off oil desperately, yes. Maybe someday...

My condolances to everybody who has lost loved ones as a result of 9/11, be they victims of the day itself or among the people in the wars that followed. May all those who've died continue to rest in peace.

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Its only fair to remember that the Iraq war was started to remove SADDAM,
You're gonna have to homeschool your kids because that is not how the history books will report it.
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I tend to ignore trolls.

Anyway, for the sake of history, here´s a couple of statements:

"What’s the difference?"
George W. Bush, 2003-12-16 in an interview with Diane Sawyer, excusing his lie that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, by claiming that there was no difference between having weapons and wanting to have them.

"Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof — the smoking gun — that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud."
George W. Bush, Cincinnati, Ohio, 2002-10-07, on evidence for Iraq’s non-existent nukes.

"The danger is clear: using chemical, biological or, one day, nuclear weapons, obtained with the help of Iraq, the terrorists could fulfill their stated ambitions and kill thousands or hundreds of thousands of innocent people in our country, or any other."
George W. Bush, 2003-03-17

"We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories. You remember when Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said, Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons. They’re illegal. They’re against the United Nations resolutions, and we’ve so far discovered two. And we’ll find more weapons as time goes on. But for those who say we haven’t found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they’re wrong, we found them."
George W. Bush, 2005-05-23, Interview of the President by TVP, Poland.

"The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."
George W. Bush, State of the Union Address, 2003-01-29.

"In Afghanistan, we helped to liberate an oppressed people, and we will continue helping them secure their country, rebuild their society and educate all their children, boys and girls."
George W. Bush, State of the Union Address, 2003-01-29.

"The war goes on, and we are winning."
George W. Bush, State of the Union Address, 2003-01-29.

"We've got the terrorists on the run. We're keeping them on the run. One by one the terrorists are learning the meaning of American justice."
George W. Bush, State of the Union Address, 2003-01-29.

"Imagine those 19 hijackers with other weapons and other plans, this time armed by Saddam Hussein. It would take one vial, one canister, one crate slipped into this country to bring a day of horror like none we have ever known. Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike?"
George W. Bush, State of the Union Address, 2003-01-29.

"And this Congress and the American people must recognize another threat. Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of Al Qaida. Secretly, and without fingerprints, he could provide one of his hidden weapons to terrorists, or help them develop their own."
George W. Bush, State of the Union Address, 2003-01-29.

"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction."
Dick Cheney, Speech to VFW convention, 2002-08-26

"For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on."
Paul Wolfowitz, Vanity Fair Interview, 2003-05-28

"Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly… all this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes."
Ari Fleischer, Press Briefing, 2003-03-21

"There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. And … as this operation continues, those weapons will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them and who guard them."
Tommy Franks, General, Press Conference, 2003-03-22

"I have no doubt we’re going to find big stores of weapons of mass destruction."
Ken Adelman, Defense Policy Board member, Washington Post, 2003-03-23

"We know where they are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."
Donald Rumsfeld, secretary of War, Washington Post, 2003-04-09

"The [Iraq] war could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months."
Donald Rumsfeld, secretary of War, 2003-02-07

The secret Downing Street memo:
The secret Downing Street memo - Times Online



"These documents are additional compelling evidence that the intelligence community did not believe there was a cooperative relationship between Iraq and al-Qaeda, despite public comments by the highest ranking officials in our government to the contrary."
Carl Levin, Senator, 2005-04-16

"From the very first instance it was about Iraq. I was all about finding away to do it. That was the tone of it: the President saying “Go find me a way to do this.”
Paul O’Neill, treasury secretary, The Price of Loyalty: George W. Bush, the White House and the Education of Paul O’Neill by Ron Suskind.

"I expected to go back to a round of meetings [on 2001-09-12], examining what the next attacks could be, what our vulnerabilities were, what we could do about them in the short term. Instead, I walked into a series of discussions about Iraq. At first I was incredulous that we were talking about something other than getting al Qaeda. Then I realised with an almost sharp physical pain that Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz were trying to take advantage of this national tragedy to promote their agenda about Iraq. Since the beginning of the administration, indeed well before, they had been pressing for a war with Iraq. My friends in the Pentagon had been telling me that the word was we would be invading Iraq sometimes in 2002."
Richard A. Clarke, White House Counter Terrorism Chief, "Against All Enemies Inside the White House’s War on Terror — What Really Happened"

Here´s the effects of the American lie:

* It cried wolf about nuclear war.
* It framed an innocent country.
* It conned the taxpayers of $300+ billion and funneled it to the likes of Halliburton.
* It attempted to steal the second largest oil reserves on the planet worth trillions.
* It sent over 1100 young Americans to their deaths, thinking they were saving America from a nuclear attack, when in reality they were participating in a robbery.
* It sent thousands of Iraqi children and an estimated 150,000 civilians to hideously painful deaths.
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If this

"I expected to go back to a round of meetings [on 2001-09-12], examining what the next attacks could be, what our vulnerabilities were, what we could do about them in the short term. Instead, I walked into a series of discussions about Iraq. At first I was incredulous that we were talking about something other than getting al Qaeda."

is true - just a single day after 9/11 - it gives credibility to those weird conspiracy theories that 9/11 was mounted.
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These quotes are alternatingly laughable and utterly depressing.

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"In Afghanistan, we helped to liberate an oppressed people, and we will continue helping them secure their country, rebuild their society and educate all their children, boys and girls."
George W. Bush, State of the Union Address, 2003-01-29.
Yeah, so how's that mission working out for everybody?

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"Imagine those 19 hijackers with other weapons and other plans, this time armed by Saddam Hussein. It would take one vial, one canister, one crate slipped into this country to bring a day of horror like none we have ever known. Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike?"
George W. Bush, State of the Union Address, 2003-01-29.
Boy, funny he has such urgency and says all that now. If he truly believes that, then um, how'd they manage to ignore that little memo pre-9/11?

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"Then I realised with an almost sharp physical pain that Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz were trying to take advantage of this national tragedy to promote their agenda about Iraq. Since the beginning of the administration, indeed well before, they had been pressing for a war with Iraq. My friends in the Pentagon had been telling me that the word was we would be invading Iraq sometimes in 2002."
Richard A. Clarke, White House Counter Terrorism Chief, "Against All Enemies Inside the White House’s War on Terror — What Really Happened"
This is the most disturbing part to me. This is the part that makes me sick to my stomach. Fuck the Bush administration.

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Here´s the effects of the American lie:

* It cried wolf about nuclear war.
* It framed an innocent country.
* It conned the taxpayers of $300+ billion and funneled it to the likes of Halliburton.
* It attempted to steal the second largest oil reserves on the planet worth trillions.
* It sent over 1100 young Americans to their deaths, thinking they were saving America from a nuclear attack, when in reality they were participating in a robbery.
* It sent thousands of Iraqi children and an estimated 150,000 civilians to hideously painful deaths.
Pretty much sums it up. I'm not one to follow the 9/11 conspiracies, because as horrid as the Bush administration was, I'd like to think they aren't THAT deranged, but if it indeed is proven that they had some hand in this, or set it up entirely, or something, then so help me, God.... I will pray every last bit of the worst kind of karma comes back to bite them all in the ass.

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I'm not one to follow the 9/11 conspiracies,
Neither am I,

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I'd like to think they aren't THAT deranged, but if it indeed is proven that they had some hand in this, or set it up entirely, or something, then so help me, God.... I will pray every last bit of the worst kind of karma comes back to bite them all in the ass.

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but the evidence is threatening

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

Patriots Question 9/11 - Engineers and Architects Question the 9/11 Commission Report

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

9/11 Inside Job
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The conspiracy is the group of devout men who collaborated in mass murder. The missed opportunities where they could have been stopped is more incompetent than malicious.
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The conspiracy is the group of devout men who collaborated in mass murder. The missed opportunities where they could have been stopped is more incompetent than malicious.
I was the same opinion but read the links, the evidence that is was an inside job is there. Apparently not only weird conspiracy theorists have serious doubts, but respected people:

Major General Albert Stubblebine, U.S. Army
General Wesley Clark, U.S. Army
Col. Ronald D. Ray, U.S. Marine Corps
Capt. Edgar Mitchell, U.S. Navy, BS Industrial Management, BS Aeronautical Engineering, Doctor of Science, Aeronautics and Astronautics from MIT
Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force
Col. George Nelson, MBA, U.S. Air Force
Col. Ann Wright, U.S. Army
Col. Donn de Grand-Pre, U.S. Army
Lt. Col. Shelton F. Lankford, U.S. Marine Corps
Lt. Col. Karen U. Kwiatkowski, PhD, U.S. Air Force & NSA
Lt. Col. Guy S. Razer, MS Aeronautical Science, U.S. Air Force
Lt. Col. Jeff Latas, U.S. Air Force
Commander Ted Muga, U.S. Navy
Commander Ralph Kolstad, U.S. Navy
Major Douglas Rokke, PhD, U.S. Army

and the list goes on and on:

220+ Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials
1,200+ Engineers and Architects
250+ Pilots and Aviation Professionals
300+ 9/11 Survivors and Family Members

Here´s just one of thousands of statements:

Robin Hordon – Former FAA Air Traffic Controller at the Boston Air Route Traffic Control Center, located in Nashua, NH, 1970 - 1981. FAA certified commercial pilot. FAA certified Flight Instructor and certified Ground Instructor: "I knew within hours of the attacks on 9/11/2001 that it was an inside job. Based on my 11-year experience as an FAA Air Traffic Controller in the busy Northeast corridor, including hundreds of hours of training, briefings, air refuelings, low altitude bombing drills, being part of huge military exercises, daily military training exercises, interacting on a routine basis directly with NORAD radar personnel, and based on my own direct experience dealing with in-flight emergency situations, including two instances of hijacked commercial airliners, I state unequivocally; There is absolutely no way that four large commercial airliners could have flown around off course for 30 to 60 minutes on 9/11 without being intercepted and shot completely out of the sky by our jet fighters unless very highly placed people in our government and our military wanted it to happen.

It is important for people to understand that scrambling jet fighters to intercept aircraft showing the signs of experiencing "IN-FLIGHT EMERGENCIES" such as going off course without authorization, losing a transponder signal and/or losing radio contact is a common and routine task executed jointly between the FAA and NORAD controllers. The entire "national defense-first responder" intercept system has many highly-trained civilian and military personnel who are committed and well-trained to this task. FAA and NORAD continuously monitor our skies and fighter planes and pilots are on the ready 24/7 to handle these situations. Jet fighters typically intercept any suspect plane over the United States within 10 - 15 minutes of notification of a problem.

This type of "immediate, high speed, high priority and emergency" scramble had been happening regularly approximately 75 - 150 times per year for ten years. ...

I believe that 9/11 was what is known as a "False Flag Operation" in which a country inflicts casualties upon itself, and then blames it on an enemy that they want to go to war against. It is one more instance in the United States’ long history of using "False Flag Operations" and blatant propaganda to ramp-up hostile emotions towards an enemy in a population otherwise resistant to going to war."

William Rodrigues, WTC survivor:

Regarding an explosion in the sub-basement of the World Trade Center North Tower on 9/11, prior to any airplane impact. "When I heard the sound of the explosion, the floor beneath my feet vibrated, the walls started cracking and it everything started shaking," said Rodriguez, who was huddled together with at least 14 other people in the office. [At this point, Mr. Rodriguez was in sub-basement B1 of the North Tower, approximately 1,100 feet below the airplane's impact point at floors 93 to 98.]

"Seconds after the first massive explosion below in the basement still rattled the floor, I hear another explosion from way above," said Rodriguez. "Although I was unaware at the time, this was the airplane hitting the tower, it occurred moments after the first explosion."

But before Rodriguez had time to think, co-worker Felipe David stormed into the basement office with severe burns on his face and arms, screaming for help and yelling "explosion! explosion! explosion!"

David had been in front of a nearby freight elevator on sub-level 1 about 400 feet from the office when fire burst out of the elevator shaft, causing his injuries.

"He was burned terribly," said Rodriguez. "The skin was hanging off his hands and arms. His injuries couldn't have come from the airplane above, but only from a massive explosion below. I don’t care what the government says, what scientists say. I saw a man burned terribly from a fire that was caused from an explosion below.

I know there were explosives placed below the trade center. I helped a man to safety who is living proof, living proof the government story is a lie and a cover-up. I disagree 100%with the government story," said Rodriguez. "I met with the 9/11 Commission behind closed doors and they essentially discounted everything I said regarding the use of explosives to bring down the north tower. And I contacted NIST previously four times without a response. Finally, this week I asked them before they came up with their conclusion that jet fuel brought down the towers, if they ever considered my statements or the statements of any of the other survivors who heard the explosions. They just stared at me with blank faces and didn't have any answers."

Read what they have to say before giving a thumbs down.
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You are flinging numbers of supporters around without providing strong evidence. Where is the residue from the supposed explosives at the bottom of the tower?

Your first name is Major General Albert Stubblebine, U.S. Army who believes in psychic warfare and claims he can walk through walls.

I looked at Wesley Clark's comments from that site and I think it is dishonest to say he supports the notion the attacks were a false-flag operation.
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George Stephanopoulos: Like what?

GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: We need to really get to the bottom of the Abramoff scandal, we should have a special prosecutor appointed for that, we really need a congressional investigation of the whole business of the NSA wiretapping and how far that goes, there's been a lot of squirreling around the edges; we've never completed the investigation of 9/11 and whether the administration actually misused the intelligence information it had - the evidence seems pretty clear to me, I've seen that for a long time. I think Americans are best served by a strong 2-party system and that's been out of whack and what I can do in 2006 is try to help the right Democrats get into office and that's what I'm going to do.
I reiterate my
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You are flinging numbers of supporters around without providing strong evidence.
We both weren´t there. You probably were in Australia while I was in Europe.

So how do you explain William Rodriguez´ comment, a man who actually was in the towers? You apparently think his co-worker Felipe would run down 90 floors in 90 seconds, severly burned, to make up a story about explosives?

There are countless facts on the site that show how strong the evidence for a "false flag operation" (as they seem to call it) is. But hey, I´m not trying to convince anyone, and the last person on earth would be you. As far as I recall, you´ve supported this war from day 1.

It´s none of my business, but the business of American soldiers and the Iraqi civilians and soldiers who died - and those who survived.
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It seems plausible that jet fuel explosions could rush through an elevator shaft and create an explosion in lower levels. The gravitational collapse of the towers occurs from the weight at the top causing a failure in those middle stories as they were structurally compromised by the burning fuel. That isn't consistent with a base explosion model that you are suggesting.

It is a muddled story. Why would your conspirators use explosives as well as hijacked planes when either one would have done the job by itself. It is a needless and unfounded complication to suppose that there were secret explosives planted onsite before the planes hit. I think conspiratorial thinking is disordered and only serves to discredit legitimate critiques of western foreign policy.

I also don't think my position on the Iraq war (which has changed in a conflicted way) is relevant to the reality of the September 11 attacks. I still think that 9/11 "truthers" deserve a
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I have a hard time accepting the notion that because the military didn't shoot down the planes immediately is proof of an inside job. Until 9/11 - nothing like this (on this scale) had ever happened. Nobody would have seriously considered shooting hundreds of civilians out of the sky pre-9/11.

I am just surprised nobody is really blaming the Free-Masons...
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Really, so what was the US military's objective on March 19, 2003 as they entered Iraq?
"To disarm Iraq."
"To undermine Saddam Hussein's ability to wage war."
"Our purpose is sure. The people of the United States and our friends and allies will not live at the mercy of an outlaw regime that threatens the peace with weapons of mass murder."
- George W. Bush, March 19th, 2003

The military objective was to disarm a country planning to wage war with weapons of mass murder.
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