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Old 04-28-2010, 01:09 PM   #741
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Old 04-28-2010, 01:30 PM   #742
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I didn't say shoot

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Old 04-28-2010, 01:35 PM   #743
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In an email blasted to reporters Wednesday morning, National Republican Campaign Committee spokesman Ken Spain charged DNC Chairman Tim Kaine with playing "the race card from the bottom of the deck."


he could have a valid point (these guys are race card experts)
the race card should be played from the top of the deck.

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I saw that. Maybe it's just my liberal leanings, but I had to wonder if every politician under fire jumps to 'ZOMG POISONED!!!!' instead of 'oh dear, I do believe I have a touch of food poisoning."
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I saw that. Maybe it's just my liberal leanings, but I had to wonder if every politician under fire jumps to 'ZOMG POISONED!!!!' instead of 'oh dear, I do believe I have a touch of food poisoning."
Yeah, I have a hard time believing that the President's doctors were unable to determine if he had been poisoned.
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Do you ever wonder why it’s always that one conservative aunt that forwards you those chain emails about Barack Obama’s secret plot to turn America into a socialist utopia? Salon’s perusal of internet rumors in the last decade shows that conservatives are both more likely to spread false rumors about liberals via fowarded emails that liberals are about their opponents.

Salon’s J.L. Bell has compiled forwarded emails from the internet rumor debunking site Snopes.com discussing both Barack Obama and George W. Bush. While the Snopes team has, in the past, compiled the hottest internet rumors and found that a large chunk of post-2008 rumormongering centered around the current president, the comparison between Obama and Bush rumors adds a new layer of complexity to the discussion. Bell found that, not only were there more email rumors floating in cyberspace about Obama than Bush, those about the latter tended to be more accurate than those of the former:

After eight years in the White House (with Snopes.com around all that time), George W. Bush has been the subject of 47 internet rumors. After less than two years in office, Barack Obama has been the subject of 87, or nearly twice as many.

Even more telling is the relative accuracy of those stories. For Bush, 20 rumors, or 43%, are true. Only 17, or 36%, are false. The remainder are of mixed veracity (4), undetermined (4), or unclassifiable (2).

In contrast, for Obama only 8 of the 87 rumors, or 9%, are true, and a whopping 59, or 68%, are whoppers. There are 17 of mixed veracity and 3 undetermined.


There are many possible reasons for Obama being at the center of a significantly larger amount of false rumors than Bush, not the least of which is a palpable cultural difference between the way the left and the right employ the internet to propagate their ideas. Compare, for example, the first two major political campaigns waged online by either side: those of Howard Dean and Ron Paul. While the former focused mostly on fundraising and rallying the grassroots with bullet-pointed policy initiatives, the Paul campaign’s centerpiece was a blimp and a series of wacky YouTube videos. Granted, this is in part due to the fact that YouTube was not around during the 2004 campaign, which leads to another imporant point: YouTube was launched in 2005, five years into the Bush administration.

Unfortunately, while Bell does bring into the national conversation an important issue and makes a number of great observations, he lets his bias get the better of him and jumps the gun at his conclusion:

This evidence accumulated over ten years shows a shameful but undeniable fact of American politics: Our right wing now contains a lot more liars, and a lot more folks who spread lies out of gullibility or wishfulness, than our left wing. Don't know about that ~me

Suggesting that a comparison of the number of chain emails from both sides that ignores the fact that people who are more likely to forward political emails happen to be on the right could lead to the “undeniable fact” that everyone right of center is a liar is, at the very least, unfair and premature, and could discredit his entire analysis to many readers, even some on the left. That doesn’t mean the anthropological angle of this story– why do conservatives send more political email forwards than their liberal counterparts?– isn’t worth revisiting by both the media and political analysts looking to maximize the usefulness of the internet in gaining votes for the midterm elections.
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Hey everyone. At my workplace, one of my co-workers is African-American and a rabid Obama supporter. And another one of my co-workers is a retired war veteran who backed McCain all the way in 2008. Recently, the latter said out loud that he hopes “Obama gets assassinated”, which angered the former, who whispered to me: “Obama will win again- especially if the [voter] turnout is good”.

Well, a lot of people have mentioned the low voter turnout in 2000 and 2004, when Bush won. Indeed, blacks, Latinos, and young people (demographics who usually NEVER bother to vote) came out in droves to go to the polls in 2008, when Obama won.

County-by-county, America seems to be one ‘red state’. But the changes in percentage points in the nation’s urban areas swung into Obama’s favor two years ago.

So would a large voter turnout (particularly among the aforementioned voting groups) help Obama again in 2012? Why or why not?
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What a charming coworker you have. Next time he says something like that, you should say "I hope you like Biden then, because that's who'll be president if Obama is killed. YOU SHITHEAD."

(Last two words optional.)
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So would a large voter turnout (particularly among the aforementioned voting groups) help Obama again in 2012? Why or why not?

yes.

the most reliable voters are old white people. they tend to vote Republican while bleeding the state dry with their Medicaid and their social security.

when turnout goes up, it means that voting groups who normally don't vote -- usually blacks and Latinos and young people of all colors -- are voting, and these voters tend to be much more not racist liberal and will likely vote for Obama.
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I didn't vote for Obama in 2008 because I was too skeptical about his "change" campaign. When something seems too good to be true, it usually isn't.

But I have some friends who did and were really enthusiastic about him and believed that he would bring great change to America.

Now here it is, about 16 months since he's been in office and the job market still sucks. Yes, a lot of jobs were created last month, but not enough. Many of my friends who voted for Obama, are now regretting it and that is mainly because of the job situation. They believe he should've tackled the employment crisis first and worry about health care second. This I agree with.

What does everyone else think? Does anyone know people who voted for Obama and now sorry that they did? Know someone who wishes he tackled the job problem rather than health care first?
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I think the thing you and your friends have to ask is would McCain and Palin be doing a better or worse situation given the circumstances?

If one sat back and "let the market heal itself" would we be in a better position?

We know if Palin had any say that we'd already be in war with Iran...
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I think the thing you and your friends have to ask is would McCain and Palin be doing a better or worse situation given the circumstances?

If one sat back and "let the market heal itself" would we be in a better position?

We know if Palin had any say that we'd already be in war with Iran...
None of us are wishing McCain and Palin won. Neither one of us liked them.

But Obama is the president, that is what matters now. He's not doing much about the job crisis, that is quite obvious to my friends and I.
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None of us are wishing McCain and Palin won. Neither one of us liked them.

But Obama is the president, that is what matters now. He's not doing much about the job crisis, that is quite obvious to my friends and I.
He spent $800 billion on a 'stimulus' bill.
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So where are the jobs?
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We can play 'what if' until the cows come home, but we also can't speculate that it would have been any better under McCain.
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So where are the jobs?
What else could any other administration have done?
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My point is that Obama is doing little to combat the job problem. Instead, he tackled health care, which should've come after the employment crisis was solved. There's plenty of people who feel this way.

You seem to be saying, BVS, that my friends and I should accept the lack of jobs out there and accept our degrading positions working menial jobs in the meantime.
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So where are the jobs?
Good question.

Economists say the stimulus didn't help - Apr. 26, 2010

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NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The recovery is picking up steam as employers boost payrolls, but economists think the government's stimulus package and jobs bill had little to do with the rebound, according to a survey released Monday.

In latest quarterly survey by the National Association for Business Economics, the index that measures employment showed job growth for the first time in two years -- but a majority of respondents felt the fiscal stimulus had no impact.

NABE conducted the study by polling 68 of its members who work in economic roles at private-sector firms. About 73% of those surveyed said employment at their company is neither higher nor lower as a result of the $787 billion Recovery Act, which the White House's Council of Economic Advisers says is on track to create or save 3.5 million jobs by the end of the year.
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We can play 'what if' until the cows come home, but we also can't speculate that it would have been any better under McCain.
People like to speculate

I will speculate that things would be going better with President Hillary,

I don't think the tea partiers, would be quite as strident, and I think there may have be a wee bit more bipartisanship.
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We can play 'what if' until the cows come home, but we also can't speculate that it would have been any better under McCain.
I didn't say things would've been better if McCain were elected. I did mention that I didn't like him. I didn't even vote for him.
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