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Old 03-27-2010, 06:05 PM   #621
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You're still not showing "harsh" treatment. Showing a map and the words of one side, doesn't exactly show a complete understanding of the situation.
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Old 03-27-2010, 07:23 PM   #622
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But starting a nuclear arms race as a means to "common defence" wasn't exactly what the founding fathers had in mind, in fact there were many constitutional lawyers that found it unconstitutional and reaching beyond the definition of defense. Just like there are those that are trying to do the same for healthcare.

But as you see, Reagan grew the government, so your dreamworld revisionist history is incorrect. And his actions cost us years and years later...
1. The vast majority of defense spending during the Cold War years as well as today goes to conventional defense spending, not spending on Nuclear Weapons. In fact, operations and maintenance and pay for the troops takes up 65% of the defense budget. The rest is Research and Development and Weapons procurement of which only a fraction goes to Nuclear Weapons.

2. Without nuclear weapons, the United States would of had no deterant against Nuclear Weapons of the Soviet Union or other states. This would be a serious weakness that would have been exploited by the Soviet Union or other states through attacks, invasions of other countries or blackmail.

3. The vast majority of the Reagan Defense build up in the 1980s went to conventional weapon systems(M1 Tank, M2 Bradley Fighting Vehicle, MLRS rocket system, Patriot Missile system, Apache Attack Helicopter) and strengthening the all volunteer military. The Reagan Defense buildup in the 1980s laid the foundation for the successes the US military has had in the 1990s and 2000s. Many of the weapon systems, strategies and doctrines developed during that time are still in use today. Many of these weapon systems which have had outstanding performance in the field and saved lives were opposed by the majority of Democrats in Congress. But thanks to the Reagan Democrats and Republicans in congress, funding for these key weapon systems continued.
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my problem with Obama is that he's failed to do a very important thing as his role as the president. he's failed to 'unite' or unify the country. both republicans and democrats don't agree with what he's done lately. he also needs to stand up and take some of the blame, I've also noticed, even in his state of the union speech, he played the blame game on others with his sarcastic remarks. and now with the health care bill being passed, the whole thing is ridiculous, when thousands of Americans gather in D.C. to protest, and other Americans across the U.S. are making it known that they didn't want the bill to pass, then something is wrong. He didn't listen to the American people and doesn't care, I hope he'll be able to start turning things around and help sort out the problems here in the u.s. before his term ends...then maybe I'll have more respect for the man. (sorry about my rant! I'm just really mad at the direction America is heading...its not good, at all.)
Everyone should watch more Glenn Beck, that's a man I've got A TON of respect for
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when thousands of Americans gather in D.C. to protest, and other Americans across the U.S. are making it known that they didn't want the bill to pass, then something is wrong.
the same could be said for...pretty much the entire bush administration.
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Everyone should watch more Glenn Beck, that's a man I've got A TON of respect for
Wow. Exhibit A for the efficacy of sensationalistic fear-mongering.
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my problem with Obama is that he's failed to do a very important thing as his role as the president. he's failed to 'unite' or unify the country. both republicans and democrats don't agree with what he's done lately. he also needs to stand up and take some of the blame, I've also noticed, even in his state of the union speech, he played the blame game on others with his sarcastic remarks. and now with the health care bill being passed, the whole thing is ridiculous, when thousands of Americans gather in D.C. to protest, and other Americans across the U.S. are making it known that they didn't want the bill to pass, then something is wrong. He didn't listen to the American people and doesn't care, I hope he'll be able to start turning things around and help sort out the problems here in the u.s. before his term ends...then maybe I'll have more respect for the man. (sorry about my rant! I'm just really mad at the direction America is heading...its not good, at all.)
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Because previous presidents were such great uniters! Everyone was real happy under George W. Bush! And no Republicans play the blame game, or anything!

Honestly, though, sarcasm aside, it's just a flat out lie to say "Americans didn't want this" or "he didn't listen to Americans." SOME Americans didn't want this. But some did, too. That's the nature of, uh, every thing in politics.

Glenn Beck lives in a fantasy world in which he creates fake threats to your freedom under the guise of patriotism. Calling a moderate health care bill (which would be conservative in any other nation) a "march to socialism" is dishonest and shameful. But that's all that Glenn Beck is, a dishonest and shameful loudmouth.
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If you aren't joking, then why don't you show us why? Are there any reliable resources that back up his theories?
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really? i think it's been great.

it's about time the US didn't rubber stamp everything far right Israelis want and actually take a stand on illegal settlement activity. is that "harsh"?
By harsh I mean the administration's decision to manufacture a mini-crisis here. It's unwarranted.

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If you think ANYONE as president could unite the whole country these days, you're living in a fantasy land.

I'm completely serious.
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manufacture a mini-crisis here.
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By harsh I mean the administration's decision to manufacture a mini-crisis here. It's unwarranted.

Don't make me post Krauthammer
It’s not a manufactured mini-crisis. Bush told them to stop doing it. Obama is just saying, I’m fucking serious, stop doing it.
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btw, i saw a wonderful post on another forum i frequent:

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You're eternally afraid of "big government", so you voted for a so-called small government conservative government for the first eight years of this century. And what did we get? Possibly the worst financial crisis since the Depression, war, misery and a total collapse of infrastructure.

Yeah, fucking awful that big government, eh? Just look at what happened to countries with big governments like, oh, I don't know, half of Western Europe?

Guess what guys. Big government works for 99% of the population. The only reason you buy into the "myth" that it doesn't is because you believe the shit from the top 1%, in the useless hope that *one day* you'll be up there with them - and when that happens, you don't want big government taking a small portion of your imaginary fortune away from you for others who aren't (apparently) as good.

Get over it. Big government is good for you. The status quo is screwing you in the ass and all you're doing is asking for a bigger cock.
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It’s not a manufactured mini-crisis. Bush told them to stop doing it. Obama is just saying, I’m fucking serious, stop doing it.




precisely.
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precisely.



everybody chooses their 'own' set of facts to get the conclusion they want these days.

perhaps we can all look to one credible source for an informed opinion, a former Secretary of State?

I thank the 'fair and balanced" news network for broadcasting this.

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Poor Huckabee... he tries so hard.
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Did you watch the vid?

Baker knows the issue quite well.
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I did. Huckabee seemed to try and lead him and Baker didn't bite.
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Baker just told it like it really is. Perhaps some of our 'conservative' posters will see this really is not a partisan issue.

Reminded me that the Bush 1 years, weren't that bad.
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Reminded me that the Bush 1 years, weren't that bad.


agreed. i was too young to have gotten this much into policy, but this was interesting:

Individual Mandate, Now Vilified By GOP, Was Supported By George H.W. Bush
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