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Old 01-28-2010, 08:09 AM   #381
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NOTHING CAN OPPOSE FOX'S WILL!

(Or is that supposed to be God? Whatever, we're splitting hairs)

NOTHING!
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Old 01-28-2010, 09:00 AM   #382
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Booooo indeed. CBS poll:


i don't trust that poll. it's just part of the liberal outrage machine.
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apart from pissing away money, what exactly is the point of going to the moon anyway?
Because it's made of delicious cheese, duh. Don't you like cheese? Are you some sort of anti-cheese racist?

Plus, we really must be sure it actually IS a moon. It could be a space station. Watching. Waiting.....just waiting. And watching.
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Because it's made of delicious cheese, duh. Don't you like cheese? Are you some sort of anti-cheese racist?

Plus, we really must be sure it actually IS a moon. It could be a space station. Watching. Waiting.....just waiting. And watching.
omg the french! those BASTARDS!
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Did anyone see McCain say "blame Bush" when the President was talking about the debt he inherited?

Chris Matthews brings the crazy again

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/chris-mat...k-for-an-hour/
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I intended to watch the speech but feel asleep before it started.

All I've gleened so far from the last page or so it that he cut NASA spending. Great, now we're going to get 'whistleblowers' telling us aliens are real to get their funding back à la Dan Brown's Deception Point.

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From the Boston Globe Today Re: Republican Congressional Retreat, Baltimore:

Obama, GOP exchange barbs, ideas in rare encounter - Boston.com


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Some Republicans prefaced their questions with lengthy recitations of conservative talking points. The president sometimes listened impassively but sometimes broke in.
Is it any wonder why the Republican leaning people in here think they have addressed issues and made defensible points when they merely repeat something like "socialism" and "Obama's apologizing to terrorists?"

It says alot when one of our major political parties is perfectly willing, as is evidenced by their leaders in Congress, not the lunatic fringe on the streets, to dumb down and cheapen serious issues like this. It is baffling that otherwise intelligent people pick up on these talking points and just repeat them without thinking. Since the rise of talk radio, the 94 revolution and reaching a new height now, Republicans, even in Congress, are told what to say and believe.

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Despite claims from Sarah Palin about a massive grassroots outcry for offshore oil drilling, I never got a chain e mail from my Republican friends on the matter until after Bush started pushing it in a blatant attempt at election year pandering.

Bush and Republicans were attacking Kerry as recently as 2004 for supposedly supporting drilling off Florida, now the same Republicans, followed in lockstep by Democrats, were in a frenzy to look tough on gas prices in 2008. Now, I have no particular problem with offshore drilling(or onshore, or NPR-Alaska, we should leave ANWR alone though), but the bipartisan flip flop is a perfect example of how Washington exploits fears and ignorance for short term political gain. There is no way we will get any oil out of the opened areas before 2030, and estimates of the reserves there are relatively small and 30 years outdated. Since the most optimistic estimates are of 2 years worth of US oil consumption offshore, and oil is a global market so no guarantee the oil drilled here is sold here, the effect on gas prices will be negligible and is 20 years out. Even now, with the bans gone, are the drills in the ground? Has fight to the death opposition making drilling completely unrealistic off Florida or California, where most of the oil is, gone away? You never would have known that by listening to George Bush or Nancy Pelosi, both of whom billed their drilling plans as ways to reduce pain at the pump immediately.

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I never heard a peep, either in person or in those famous chain e mails, from my conservative friends about deficits or debt until Obama took office. More like a quote "Reagan proved deficits don't matter."
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Technically, a turnaround by 12% (though, more precise, percentage points) might be correct, though it's a bit of dodgy maths.
Say, 100 is the base, and in 2009 the economy shrunk by 6%. So then it dropped to 94% of what it was the year before. Then this year the economy is said to grow by 6% again. But GDP is the percentage change of the economy's size as compared to the year before. And a 6% growth raises the economy to a 99.64. So the size of the economy really is not even as big as it was in 2008.

But else, impressive speech. Even if you don't agree with everything Obama or the Democrats are aiming for, I really cannot see how anyone can see it in the best interest of the country to categorically object to everything simply because it comes from the other side.
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Despite claims from Sarah Palin about a massive grassroots outcry for offshore oil drilling, I never got a chain e mail from my Republican friends on the matter until after Bush started pushing it in a blatant attempt at election year pandering. Bush and Republicans were attacking Kerry as recently as 2004 for supposedly supporting drilling off Florida, now the same Republicans, followed in lockstep by Democrats, were in a frenzy to look tough on gas prices in 2008. Now, I have no particular problem with offshore drilling(or onshore, or NPR-Alaska, we should leave ANWR alone though), but the bipartisan flip flop is a perfect example of how Washington exploits fears and ignorance for short term political gain.
Might that reflect the pressure from consumers over $4/gallon gasoline prices after a long stretch of stable low prices? I believe prior to that Bush was sensitive to the claim that he was a tool of Big Oil. As for Bush criticizing Kerry, that was pure politics taking advantage of his brother being governor of Florida and yea, asinine considering how the decade played out.


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There is no way we will get any oil out of the opened areas before 2030, and estimates of the reserves there are relatively small and 30 years outdated. Since the most optimistic estimates are of 2 years worth of US oil consumption offshore, and oil is a global market so no guarantee the oil drilled here is sold here, the effect on gas prices will be negligible and is 20 years out.
Not accurate, new technology is mapping before unknown reserves all the time and we are now able to tap old reserves with better equipment to draw out oil unobtainable a generation ago. 82% of the the world's known reserves of oil and gas have yet to be used. Someone born today will not live to see a world without oil or gas reserves. Not to mention shale and coal.

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I never heard a peep, either in person or in those famous chain e mails, from my conservative friends about deficits or debt until Obama took office. More like a quote "Reagan proved deficits don't matter."
Those "On the right track" polls in the 2nd term of Bush that were so low also included the frustration of fiscal conservatives. You can see that reflected in the Republicans losing the Congress in 06 and the White House in 08.
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Let's see...

Obama just made a big speech where Pelosi and others in his party were making faces about some of the things he said, yet he's "staying the course"?

Heads Up Ass Syndrome... you, Beck, Rush, this cartoonist need to come out from hiding every once in awhile.
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From the Boston Globe Today Re: Republican Congressional Retreat, Baltimore:

Obama, GOP exchange barbs, ideas in rare encounter - Boston.com


there is video of this online. everyone should watch.

it's quite clear that the President is vastly smarter and better informed than all of the GOP.
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I heard that too.

Perhaps they will replay it on C-Span.
(or Fox News - with subtitles or sub-pictures?)

(I wonder if any of them asked him to produce his live-birth certificate)
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he is superb.


msnbc.com Video Player


it highlights the fact that the American system would greatly benefit from the intimacy of a Question Time with the President, instead of the usual thundering across the ideological chasm.

i think he says "um" once or twice, so expect it to be dismissed.

also, the link is to MSNBC. i would have put up a link from Fox -- since it's so trusted -- but Fox ended broadcasting the debate 20 minutes before it actually ended, so devastating was Obama's performance to their 24/7 propaganda.
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I watched this today.

Really embarrassing for the GOP, because he obviously schooled them. And because this is obviously a format in which he excels, so why they would think this would be a good idea is baffling. Unless they just expected him to be uninformed and inarticulate like Bush, which sounds ludicrous, but remember this is the crowd that has basically concluded that Obama's oratory skills amount to little more than teleprompter reading - if only I'd actually kept count of how many times U2681 said that here.

I don't think that Obama has been a great president thus far, both because of the way the Congress operates (or doesn't) and because of miscalculations and naivete on his part. But he was exceptionally good here.
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