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Old 12-14-2009, 08:24 AM   #261
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Did anyone watch the Oprah special last night? (probably not because it's Oprah). He gave himself a B+ and said (with a laugh) that if health care passes before the end of the year it would be an A-. He was also on 60 Minutes last night.

He and Michelle have such a natural, easy way with each other. They seem to have a relationship that's truly enviable.
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Old 12-14-2009, 05:31 PM   #262
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^ I watched it for a while before dozing off. They are great to watch interviewed together, very natural and genuine.

Obama's going to get a ton of Whitehouse 'drop by' and Air Force One ride requests now.
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Old 12-14-2009, 05:37 PM   #263
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I think she brings out the best aspects of him

I didn't think he should have given himself a B+..maybe just say that's up to the American people or like Charlie Gibson suggested, an incomplete. Maybe it was just a silly question-like what kind of tree would you be. But you can decline to answer-I think the President can say no to O. Maybe he's the only one who can and still be living.

I have to admit that I was thinking about those silly tabloid stories about Oprah having a thing for Obama and Michelle being upset about it. No catfight ensued. Well at least not on camera
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lol I didn't know there were tabloid stories about that but I did notice Oprah had that goofy high-school crush look about her the whole time she was with him but I just figured, who wouldn't??

B+ was as a direct yet safe answer as you can get.
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I did notice Oprah had that goofy high-school crush look about her the whole time she was with him but I just figured, who wouldn't??
I would. O had so much makeup on too That can be a tell tale sign. It looked really bad in HD.

I asked my mother if Oprah would go for him if he was single and dump Stedman and she said yes, definitely. I think definitely yes as well. If we ever had a hot single President that would be so good on so many levels.
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Note to Mrs. Obama to beware of MrsSpringsteen!
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I asked my mother if Oprah would go for him if he was single and dump Stedman and she said yes, definitely.


i think Oprah only has eyes for Gayle.
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Old 12-17-2009, 01:19 AM   #268
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Will Obama be insane enough to sign a HC bill with the mandated coverage?

Because if I had to pick one form of political suicide for him, this would be it.
He'd be better off doing almost anything else.

I honestly can't believe it's still in the fucking bill.

As much as it pains me to say, I actually caught myself agreeing with Olbermann's special comment tonight. No, I don't totally share his opinion about the public option (not comfortable with the cost/strain on resources, w/o major tax hike) but I agree 100% with what he said about Lieberman (what a fantastic douche he is) Obama (getting his ass handed to him, politically) and Congress (generally speaking).

But mostly about how Obama might be sealing his fate if he signs a bill with that mandate in it. He might even have a Dem primary challenger in 2012. Because this can easily, easily be argued as a tax hike (not to mention the context of this economy and all his other problems). It's political arsenic by itself (ask Bush 41) but coupled with everything together, he would be done for.

Maybe even a lame-duck for the next 3 years. I'm serious, because the '10 campaigns will begin after the new year and the political hammering will begin, his Dems will have to move away from him (if he signs an 'effective tax hike') and his agenda would then be static. He wouldn't be able to get anything done. Well, more simply, if he loses the House or the Senate in '10, you can kiss those last two years goodbye anyways.

Would he be this stupid or is he waiting for something to happen before he can have it taken out? I really don't know.

On the flipside, he can get healthcare reform, even if it means w/o a public option and claim a monumental political victory. It's just baffling to me right now...
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On the flipside, he can get healthcare reform, even if it means w/o a public option and claim a monumental political victory. It's just baffling to me right now...
With the White House (Robert Gibbs) officially calling Howard Dean a boob I feel really bad about where this presidency is headed to be honest.
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Lieberman is a fantastic douche. that is for certain.
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The hypocrisy on the left is baffling. All summer and fall we were hearing about how there's no room in the GOP for moderates- Snowe, Collins, Crist, you name it. Yet now, people like Lieberman, Nelson and others are being vilified. I guess there's no room in the Democratic Party for moderates.

Regarding KO's "comment" I halfway expected him to, being a staple of his rants, tell Obama to RESIGN! I somehow stomached his show last night to see how he would react to his two favorite people, Dean and Obama, battling it out.
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Old 12-17-2009, 09:29 AM   #272
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What?! How is this hypocrisy? I thought it was Rush saying there was no room in the GOP for moderates?

You make no sense.
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Rush yes, but countless liberal talking heads and politicians and likely people in this forum attacked the GOP for not including moderates. Apparently such an outrage doesn't exist when it comes to their own. Be as left as you can be. And if you're in the middle, then we'll make threats against your wife and call you every name in the book, and in KO's case, suggest suicide.
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Rush yes, but countless liberal talking heads and politicians and likely people in this forum attacked the GOP for not including moderates. Apparently such an outrage doesn't exist when it comes to their own. Be as left as you can be. And if you're in the middle, then we'll make threats against your wife and call you every name in the book, and in KO's case, suggest suicide.


Lieberman isn't a moderate. or maybe he was 3 MONTHS AGO when he advocated for precisely what he is now against.

Lieberman is out for Lieberman and is looking at a new job in the CT insurance industry.

also, do you have an actual argument to advance, or are you just going to complain about how The Left is mean?
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Rush yes, but countless liberal talking heads and politicians and likely people in this forum attacked the GOP for not including moderates. Apparently such an outrage doesn't exist when it comes to their own. Be as left as you can be. And if you're in the middle, then we'll make threats against your wife and call you every name in the book, and in KO's case, suggest suicide.
I think your understanding of things in this world is what's truly baffling.
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also, do you have an actual argument to advance, or are you just going to complain about how The Left is mean?
This is a general Obama discussion, is it not? I was simply responding to the ultra-insightful and well laid-out argument "Lieberman is a fantastic douche."

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I think your understanding of things in this world is what's truly baffling.
Then mind telling me where I'm wrong? Or are you going to do what you always do- say someone is stupid or wrong or missing the point, and then not bother stating how? I guess it is easier that way.
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or are you just going to complain about how The Left is mean?
But they are a bunch of meanies

I mean they scare you into thinking there will be another terrorist attack if you don't do this, they use fearmongering and racism to rally the people, and they try and legislate against anyone who is not like them...

oh wait, I got confused for a second.

Carry on.
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This is a general Obama discussion, is it not? I was simply responding to the ultra-insightful and well laid-out argument "Lieberman is a fantastic douche."
Which has what to do with Obama? Why the rant about the left and moderates? It didn't make a lick of sense.

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Then mind telling me where I'm wrong? Or are you going to do what you always do- say someone is stupid or wrong or missing the point, and then not bother stating how? I guess it is easier that way.
Oh, you are so insightful. As it's been pointed out before Lieberman is looking out for Lieberman, this has nothing to do with being moderate or not. No one has "threatened" his wife, no matter how Beck wants to spin it. There are just many that find her unfit for her role now, you have heard of the term "conflict of interest" right?
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And before you say it, Olbermann does not speak for the left. In fact I can't think of anyone in here that has ever stated they really like Olbermann let alone worship him, but I can think of some that worship Rush or think the other racist Beck is a "great American". So as hard as you try and bring him into every conversation, it doesn't really matter, that is one of the big differences between the left and right, we don't worship the blowhard talking heads.
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Yet now, people like Lieberman, Nelson and others are being vilified. I guess there's no room in the Democratic Party for moderates.
Lieberman is not a member of the Democratic Party, haven't you heard?
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