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Old 12-05-2009, 12:11 AM   #201
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Wow, several well thought out, direct posts in a row, and that's your reply.
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official unemployment dipped .2%. it may not seem that impressive, but it is indicative that the economy may be turning around
I'll believe it when I see it. A couple months ago, the number dropped from 9.5 to 9.4, only to jump to where it is now.
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Wow, several well thought out, direct posts in a row, and that's your reply.
i suppose it's easier to laugh than actually engage in a serious conversation.

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I'll believe it when I see it. A couple months ago, the number dropped from 9.5 to 9.4, only to jump to where it is now.
sure, the unemployment number by itself can be misleading, but the economy shed 11,000 jobs in november. when the dip occurred over the summer we had lost about 900,000 jobs over the course of june, july, and august. i would wager that 9.4% had more to do with unemployed workers leaving the job market than the economy actually improving.

we're not going to start adding 300,000 jobs per month, but the rapid decline in jobs being lost is a good sign.

like i said, i'm still gravely concerned about what may happen to state and local budgets over the next two years as the arra life support dries up.
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My honest personal opinion is that America is fucked and will never recover. It just costs too much to hire workers in the US, what with things like minimum wage and health care for workers. Outsourcing is the best business decision for way too many companies, and there's too many people who think allowing the private sector to do whatever the hell it wants to is the best option. Less government regulation on business leads to more for-profit measures which means that more and more jobs are going to leave the US.
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My honest personal opinion is that America is fucked and will never recover. It just costs too much to hire workers in the US, what with things like minimum wage and health care for workers. Outsourcing is the best business decision for way too many companies, and there's too many people who think allowing the private sector to do whatever the hell it wants to is the best option. Less government regulation on business leads to more for-profit measures which means that more and more jobs are going to leave the US.
Please tell me you didn't have the president's ear at the White House Jobs Summit.
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Old 12-07-2009, 03:18 PM   #207
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Gallup Daily: Obama Job Approval





just sayin..
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Please tell me you didn't have the president's ear at the White House Jobs Summit.
I'm too much of a pessimistic/defeatist to ever be involved in politics. As you can tell.
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just sayin..
Diamond, I'm getting tired of having to remind you to quit trolling.

If you're only posting things to thumb your nose at the opposition, then perhaps it's better if you just sit back and let people actually interested in genuine dialogue take part.
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boston.com Dec 8

In a move as much as about the politics of the issue as the policy, President Obama this morning outlined a new plan to pump up hiring and avert a jobless economic recovery.

"There are more than seven million fewer Americans with jobs today than when this recession began. That’s a staggering figure and one that reflects not only the depths of the hole from which we must ascend, but also a continuing human tragedy," he said at the Brookings Institution in Washington.

Obama said the administration would focus on giving tax cuts to small businesses to encourage them to add workers; on promoting labor-intensive transportation projects; and on giving homeowners incentives to make houses more energy efficient.

The president also said he supports congressional efforts to extend unemployment benefits and federal health care subsidies for the jobless, and also proposed another $250 stimulus payment to seniors and veterans.

And he officially backed paying for the new plan by using money left over and repaid from the bank and Wall Street bailout -- known as TARP -- though he did not specify an amount. Republicans vehemently oppose the move, saying it runs counter to the purpose of the program and arguing that any savings should go to bring down the federal deficit.

"Launched hastily under the last administration, the TARP program was flawed, and we have worked hard to correct those flaws and manage it properly. And today, TARP has served its original purpose and at a much lower cost than we expected," Obama said. "This gives us a chance to pay down the deficit faster than we thought possible and to shift funds that would have gone to help the banks on Wall Street to help create jobs on Main Street," he added.

Obama also reminded Americans how precarious the economy was, saying that a year ago his economic team briefed him on what he was about to inherit, an "unforgettable series of presentations" complete with "a chilling set of charts and graphs, predicting where we might end up."

He cited all the actions the administration has already taken to avert a "second Great Depression," including the $787 billion economic stimulus package that he championed, and chided Republicans for not helping fix a problem they helped create. "We can safely say that we are no longer facing the potential collapse of our financial system and we've avoided the depression many feared," he proclaimed.

While there are signs of economic recovery, unemployment -- even with a slight dip last month to 10 percent -- remains stubbornly high despite the economic stimulus package. During the recession, the president notes, many employers learned how to make do with fewer workers and are in no hurry to pad their payrolls again.

To boost hiring by small businesses, Obama called for a one-year moratorium on the tax on capital gains from new investments in small business stock. The earlier stimulus bill included a 75 percent exclusion from capital gains taxes on small business investments. He also called for an unspecified "short-term tax incentive" for small firms to add workers, the details to be worked out with Congress.

He also wants to extend through next year a recovery bill provision that eliminates fees and increases federal guarantees for Small Business Administration loans, and another that allows businesses to immediately expense up to $250,000 of qualified investment.

"Over the past 15 years, small businesses have created roughly 65 percent of all new jobs in America," Obama said. "These are companies formed around kitchen tables in family meetings, formed when an entrepreneur takes a chance on a dream, formed when a worker decides its time she became her own boss. These are also companies that drive innovation, producing 13 times more patents per employee than large companies. And, it’s worth remembering, every once in a while a small business becomes a big business -- and changes the world. That’s why it is so important that we help small businesses struggling to open, or struggling to open in the first place, during these difficult times."

Obama closed his speech with a reprise of his broader critique of business as usual in Washington and of his call for change that captured the imagination of so many voters.

"In the end, the economic crisis of the past year was not just the result of weaknesses in our economy. It was also the result of weaknesses in our political system. For decades, too many in Washington put off hard decisions. For decades, we’ve watched as efforts to solve tough problems have fallen prey to the bitterness of partisanship, to the prosaic concerns of politics, to ever-quickening news cycles, and to endless campaigns focused on scoring points instead of meeting our common challenges," he said.

"We have seen the consequences of this failure of responsibility. The American people have paid a heavy price. And the question we’ll have to answer now is if we are going to learn from our past, or if – even in the aftermath of disaster – we are going to repeat it. As the alarm bells fade, and the din of Washington rises, as the forces of the status quo marshal their resources, we can be sure that answering this question will be a fight to the finish. But I have every hope and expectation that we can rise to this moment, that we can transcend the failures of the past, that we can once again take responsibility for our future."
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A new poll released by Public Policy Polling Wednesday introduced some surprising numbers.

Thirty-five percent of Republicans said that they would support impeaching Obama for his actions so far, though there is no indication of what specific "actions" they think could potentially merit impeachment. Twenty percent of all respondents were in favor of impeachment.

"I'm not clear exactly what 'high crimes and misdemeanors' they are using to justify that position but there may be a certain segment of voters on both the right and the left these days that simply think the President doing things they don't agree with is grounds for removal from office," said pollster Tom Jensen. Dave Weigel notes that a lot of the opposition to Obama has included rhetoric about supposed violations of the Constitution.

In addition, 44% of voters said they'd rather have George W. Bush back in the White House. That percentage is strangely higher than Bush's approval rating over the majority of his second term. Guess you don't know what you got 'til it's gone.

The highly contentious issues in the air -- health care reform, war, climate change -- are bound to prompt disagreement and discontentment that could trigger some odd responses. According to a survey taken in late September, 42% of Republicans did not believe that Obama was born in the United States:

"42 percent of Republicans believe that President Obama was not born in the United States, while 22 percent still remain uncertain of his birthplace origin. On the flip side, the poll also finds that 25 percent of Democrats believe that George W. Bush intentionally allowed the September 11th attacks to occur to serve as a catalyst for a war in the Middle East."
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So only 35% of Republicans are complete imbeciles?

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sorry, make that 42% of Republicans...
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Interesting that a thread about Obama does not mention his speech today in accepting the Nobel Peace Prize. A good speech, but again one that the liberal base of the Democratic party was not really happy about.
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They're dithering.
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Interesting that a thread about Obama does not mention his speech today in accepting the Nobel Peace Prize. A good speech, but again one that the liberal base of the Democratic party was not really happy about.
Interesting that the speech was today, and some of us may have been at work/busy so we may not have seen it and thus could not comment on it.

I have not seen the speech, but read some excerpts. And some of the reaction on the left that I've read has been mixed, admittedly, although this was interesting from Time columnist Joe Klein: "an intellectually rigorous and morally lucid speech that balanced the rationale for going to war against the need to build a more peaceful and equitable world.”

As a liberal, I agree with that. I will also say this: it's nice to have a President, unlike the previous one, who does not pander to his respective party's base.
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Interesting that the speech was today, and some of us may have been at work/busy so we may not have seen it and thus could not comment on it.

I have not seen the speech, but read some excerpts. And some of the reaction on the left that I've read has been mixed, admittedly, although this was interesting from Time columnist Joe Klein: "an intellectually rigorous and morally lucid speech that balanced the rationale for going to war against the need to build a more peaceful and equitable world.”

As a liberal, I agree with that. I will also say this: it's nice to have a President, unlike the previous one, who does not pander to his respective party's base.
I've not seen the speech either, just some brief excerpts as well. I agree its great that Obama is definitely not pandering to his party's base especially when it comes to issues of national security.

But I wonder if the fact that he is not would explain the relative absence of commentary by members of the forum on both this and his speech on Afghanistan last week?
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So is this a statement about Obama's speech today?
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So is this a statement about Obama's speech today?
I could listen to him all day long on pretty much any topic and get all warm and fuzzy.

At the end of the day though, talk is cheap.
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I could listen to him all day long on pretty much any topic and get all warm and fuzzy.

At the end of the day though, talk is cheap.
So what you posted was directed toward the speech?
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