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Old 02-21-2008, 08:33 PM   #21
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To me, there were two keys in this debate:

1) Obama must maintain his momentum

2) Clinton must cut off his momentum, paint him as naive and not ready. She has not done that.
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Wow, Clinton totally dodged the question re: the will of the voters. Obama totally owned that one.
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Did anyone doubt that Hillary was going to imply the Lewinsky scandal? Poor Bill.
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Wow, Clinton totally dodged the question re: the will of the voters. Obama totally owned that one.
yup. She knows it'll hurt her.
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Is she going to cry again?
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I think Hillary and Barack are falling in

ETA: I did love that last comment she made.
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That was a great closing comment for Clinton.
Although... I couldn't help but think as she spoke of these wounded soldiers: You voted to authorize sending them over there in the first place!

Good debate! I think Obama was clearly stronger this time.
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Is it still going on, or is it over? Is it online, since there's no TV near my computer or vice versa

Nevermind, guess it's over.
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It's over! It lasted a little more than an hour and a half.
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It'll be interesting to see if the tone changes on Tuesday at the MSNBC debate.

Clinton needed Obama to stumble, instead it was one of his best performances.
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This is excellent analysis that sums up the debate perfectly:
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archi...21/689812.aspx


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Clinton ended the debate on a VERY conciliatory note and for the first time sounded like a candidate who realized she might not win.
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thanks for the link

watching some clips from the debate on CNN's website
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This is excellent analysis that sums up the debate perfectly:
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archi...21/689812.aspx


That was a fantastic way to sum up tonight. Thanks for that!
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Time.com

Obama B +
Clinton B
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That was a fantastic way to sum up tonight. Thanks for that!
Anytime

I always love Chuck Todd's analysis. He is SO smart.
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Anytime

I always love Chuck Todd's analysis. He is SO smart.
I've never heard of Chuck Todd. I rarely watch MSNBC. I truly only enjoy watching the NBC Nightly News, and then getting the rest of my news from online newspapers. I do catch CNN a bit more than FOX NEWS or MSNBC, etc.
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I used to watch CNN a lot more, but MSNBC's political analysis is by far the best. For hard news I generally turn to CNN, but MSNBC really does have the best political team.
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More grades from Time.com

Clinton:

Substance:A-
Style:B+
Offense: D-
Defense: C

OVERALL GRADE: B

Obama:

Substance: C+
Style: B
Offense: A
Defense: A-

OVERALL GRADE: B+
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Boy, that was boring.

I am cutting off on primary debates and watching crap TV from now on.

Nothing new.

The Obama grade on substance is not suprising. He is the king of bullshit.
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I actually disagree with Time's final grade on the two based on their formula.

If you do it this way:

A: 4
B:3
C:2
D:1

And average them together, you have:

Obama: B+
Clinton: C

Plus, Clinton's + and - cancel out and she still has another -.

(Yes, I'm this analytical. No, Time isn't the final authority on how the debate is.)
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