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Old 06-03-2008, 05:00 PM   #21
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It's more official now. Check out The Page - by Mark Halperin - TIME (I've been LOVING this site during all of this) Obama just picked up a ton more Supers and now only needs 12 delegates tonight. He'll get that.
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"I think many of those Hillary voters are going to consider and support Senator McCain," said Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty in an afternoon conference call designed to prebut Obama's speech tonight in St. Paul.

Pawlenty even compared the two senators, saying they shared important traits of experience and tenacity.

"They see and saw in Senator Clinton somebody they value experience in and, in many cases -- in terms of her personal characteristics -- her persistence and strength," the governor said of Clinton's backers. "Many of those same characteristics and more are in Senator McCain. So we think he's going to be able to compete for Senator Clinton's supporters to a significant degree when and if she terminates her campaign."

The likely Democratic nominee, Pawlenty argued, "is not ready for the job. And Senator McCain is more than ready from day one to assume the role of Commander in Chief."

Or should I say Day One.

Hillary is picking up fans.

It seems most Obamanics want nothing to do with her.
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12 delegates needed for obama to win the nomination...
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12 delegates needed for obama to win the nomination...
Just dropped to 11.

COUNT IT DOWN...
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Just dropped to 11.

COUNT IT DOWN...

just went down to 10!
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As he's held up against McCain, I can only see him gaining in popularity and McCain losing in his.
Why do you say that?

There will be several cycles of fluctuation in Obama and McCain's poll numbers. To say that Obama will do nothing but rise and McCain will do nothing but fall from now until November is a bit presumptuous, not to mention that that certainly won't be the case.
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And again, can any registered Democrat tell me why they think there should even be super-delegates?
Democratic super-delegates share the same raison d'être as activist courts and judges. Which is to overrule the will of the voters when they don't "get it right" in the judgement of the "elites." A backdoor escape hatch from majority (mob) rule.
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It's more official now. Check out The Page - by Mark Halperin - TIME (I've been LOVING this site during all of this) Obama just picked up a ton more Supers and now only needs 12 delegates tonight. He'll get that.
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Just dropped to 11.

COUNT IT DOWN...
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just went down to 10!

with all your excitement

let me ask you something

how would you feel if we were getting reports that

super-delegates from
Iowa, Illinois, South Carolina, Virginia, and North Carolina
were coming in for Hillary
and this was putting her over the top and giving her the nomination?
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Hell yes!

Drinks on me tonight, my friends!!!

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with all your excitement

let me ask you something

how would you feel if we were getting reports that

super-delegates from
Iowa, Illinois, South Carolina, Virginia, and North Carolina
were coming in for Hillary
and this was putting her over the top and giving her the nomination?

kind of a obvious question that really isn't worth answering at this point.
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7 more delegates to go now...
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7 more delegates to go now...

I am sure there are at least 7 in states that Obama lost big time in
that can ignore the will of the voters and throw it to Obama.

Come on Ohio, W V, Pennsylvania, unclench your guns, stop clinging bitterly to your religion, get out of your small town and put Obama over the top.
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with all your excitement

let me ask you something

how would you feel if we were getting reports that

super-delegates from
Iowa, Illinois, South Carolina, Virginia, and North Carolina
were coming in for Hillary
and this was putting her over the top and giving her the nomination?
But you see, the difference here is that Obama has ALREADY captured the majority of PLEDGED DELEGATES, which would hypothetically decide the nomination if there were no superdelegates. So in that imaginary world, he would have already won it anyway. If the super-delegates gave the nomination to the candidate who LOST the PLEDGED DELEGATE COUNT, that is DECIDED BY THE PEOPLE, then yes, I would be upset no matter what candidate I happened to support because I would feel that the super-delegates were abusing their power. Going with the nominee that got the greatest number of pledged delegates seems like the obvious and most fair choice here. Otherwise, you're blatantly going against the will of the people in this situation.
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I'm afraid instead of picking the most obvious choice JIM WEBB Obama will be forced to pick Hillary.
I think Webb or Kaine have a good shot at it - Va. would be a big win in the election that Obama may not get otherwise. Obama is holding a big rally in Northern Va. on Thursday .
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I think Webb or Kaine have a good shot at it - Va. would be a big win in the election that Obama may not get otherwise. Obama is holding a big rally in Northern Va. on Thursday .
Really?

Please pick Kaine. Please pick Kaine. Please pick Kaine.
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Why do you say that?

There will be several cycles of fluctuation in Obama and McCain's poll numbers. To say that Obama will do nothing but rise and McCain will do nothing but fall from now until November is a bit presumptuous, not to mention that that certainly won't be the case.
No, it won't be a straight rise/fall for the two, but it will be more clear. Yes, that's my prediction. And be careful, you thought I was crazy for saying at the beginning of all of this that it was going to be Obama/McCain in the end.
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But you see, the difference here is that Obama has ALREADY captured the majority of PLEDGED DELEGATES, which would hypothetically decide the nomination if there were no superdelegates.

That is a more reasonable argument.

It would let the winning candidate have a more legitimate claim to being the people's choice.


But, the democratic delegate allotment was left up to the individual state parties to allocate any cockeyed way they came up with

There are states where one vote got more value than other votes in another part of the same state.


There is one state where a candidate won by 4-5 per cent of the vote, but the other candidate was awarded more delegates.
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I think Webb or Kaine have a good shot at it - Va. would be a big win in the election that Obama may not get otherwise. Obama is holding a big rally in Northern Va. on Thursday .
A while back

I said I thought Webb, would be his best pick.

Better than Kaine.
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you thought I was crazy for saying at the beginning of all of this that it was going to be Obama/McCain in the end.

the McCain pick
was a solid prediction that came out 100 % correct


the Obama pick,
about as good as picking Bush in 2000
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