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Old 02-07-2006, 09:36 AM   #1
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http://en.rian.ru/russia/20060206/43371626.html

'Earth in for another "ice age" in mid-century - scientist'
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Drudge.

anything to keep those pesky enviro-fascists off our backs.
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Yes, please only cite science that keeps in line with traditional environmental dogma.
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Yes, please only cite science that keeps in line with traditional environmental dogma.


and whenever possible, confuse the issue and distract with shiny objects that distract from mountains of evidence.
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Ignoring some evidence to focus on select evidence doesn't lend credibility to the argument.

This is not the first time scientific evidence has been presented disputing the notion that man-made climate change is occurring.
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Ignoring some evidence to focus on select evidence doesn't lend credibility to the argument.

This is not the first time scientific evidence has been presented disputing the notion that man-made climate change is occurring.


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Ignoring some evidence to focus on select evidence doesn't lend credibility to the argument.

This is not the first time scientific evidence has been presented disputing the notion that man-made climate change is occurring.


you're incorrect on the 2nd part.

there's a general consensus that climate change is due to human activity. that's not a question.

the question is how much and to what extent.
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you're incorrect on the 2nd part.

there's a general consensus that climate change is due to human activity. that's not a question.

the question is how much and to what extent.
No, that is incorrect.

The general consensus is politically driven, selective highlighting of scientific data.

Last year, we had a thread about the political pressures placed on scientists who do not automatically accept the "general consensus".
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Well, as far as I can tell there's no new evidence nor research involved here--just some random Russian astronomer proclaiming that it's gonna happen....?
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No, that is incorrect.

The general consensus is politically driven, selective highlighting of scientific data.

Last year, we had a thread about the political pressures placed on scientists who do not automatically accept the "general consensus".


no, you are incorrect.

the consensus, as expressed in 2001 by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and the National Academy of Sciences, and recently confirmed by a joint statement of the G8 academies of science, is that nearly all the warming observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities; most "evidence" to the contrary is usually politically influenced and designed to give certain people "ammunition" to help them ignore this overwhelming evidence so they continue to consume fossil fuels at current levels.

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It's widely accepted that solar variation has had an effect on the climate in the past, and will no doubt have effects in the future. However, I'd be curious to hear about this astronomer's motivation for taking such a strong stance on this.
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However, I'd be curious to hear about this astronomer's motivation for taking such a strong stance on this.
Got his name in the news? :shurg:
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Got his name in the news? :shurg:
No, I mean't how he's supporting his conclusions. It's unfortunate that it's not included in the link.
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One Russian scientist claims that the earth is going to get colder soon, and it means that global warming is therefore false? I'd wait until at least one other "authority" agrees that it will get colder.
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the consensus, as expressed in 2001 by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and the National Academy of Sciences, and recently confirmed by a joint statement of the G8 academies of science, is that nearly all the warming observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities; most "evidence" to the contrary is usually politically influenced and designed to give certain people "ammunition" to help them ignore this overwhelming evidence so they continue to consume fossil fuels at current levels.
And the global warming mantra help envirnomentalist organizations in their fundraising. The political influence to maintain the "general consensus" is tremendous, especially when we can blame "evil corporations" or "consumers of fossil fuels" if we don't step in line.

Do you really think proposed reductions of emmissions as a percentage of the volume of the atmosphere will make an impact? Or will natural cycles cause the changes we "fear"?
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The political influence to maintain the "general consensus" is tremendous
What exactly fo you base this assumption on?
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What exactly fo you base this assumption on?
Start Here

If you are open to this idea, I am sure you will find more.
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If you are open to this idea, I am sure you will find more.

OMG!!!

you mean one scientist disagrees with everyone else? let's listen to him first, and only, and then use him to discredit everyone else.

you would never be so casual to dismiss international consensus on the basis of one dissenter on any other topic, why are you so willing to do so on this subject?

this sounds like the same tactic used to dissmiss the "mainstream media" -- it's liberal! every word is meant to further an agenda! don't listen to any of it! it's in some groups best interests to keep up interest in climate change! it's all about lining the pockets of those greedy scientists and facult members! don't listen to any of them!

if you're ever in DC, i'd like you to meet my friend who works for the EPA. she'll tell you stories about the extent to which the Bush administration goes to stifle the EPA on this subject, precisely because the actual science about what fossil fuels are doing to the earth -- in conjunction with other factors, everyone agrees that climate change is in some part natural, and in many parts man made -- would spell disaster for the oil companies.
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