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Old 09-11-2007, 02:22 PM   #1
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Norman, Hilary and Media Silence

What's this all about and why is the main stream media ignoring this issue?

Who Is Hsu? Captured Fundraiser Didn't Vote
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Justin Rood Reports:

Mysterious Democratic fundraiser Norman Hsu is in custody again, after a brief return to a fugitive lifestyle he maintained for 15 years. But new questions are cropping up about his past.

The latest puzzle: Despite funneling hundreds of thousands of dollars into Democratic coffers, Norman Hsu is not a member of the Democratic party. In fact, records appear to reflect he isn't even registered to vote.

Hsu's name does not appear on voter rolls in either California, where Hsu lived in the 1980s and early 1990s, or in New York, where he lived more recently, according to documents and state officials.

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After news accounts last month exposed the criminal past of the tireless fundraiser, who had donated and raised hundreds of thousands of dollars for Hillary Clinton and a host of other Democratic candidates, Hsu turned himself in -- only to skip out on $2 million bail.

He was nabbed by the FBI in Colorado last night and is being held in federal custody. Officials say he will be returned to California for sentencing.

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Hsu, reportedly a naturalized U.S. citizen, would have been eligible to vote, say experts, even after his 1992 conviction on a fraud-related felony charge.

While California and New York state laws bar imprisoned and paroled felons from voting, Hsu was never sentenced for his 1992 felony conviction. Hsu skipped out on his sentencing hearing, returning to court only last week -- before skipping out again.

For those 15 years, "he was in a gray area," said Ryan King, a policy analyst with the nonprofit Sentencing Project, which studies state and federal incarceration policies. According to the laws, "he was eligible to vote until the moment he's sentenced to prison or parole."

Strange details abound in Hsu's biography. Before his trial, Hsu was the victim of a kidnapping reportedly tied to a Chinese gang in the San Francisco bay area. After dodging his 1992 hearing, Hsu is believed to have returned to his native Hong Kong for several years.

Details of his businesses remain sketchy. Upon investigation, many of his recent business addresses appear to be little more than mail drops, despite the thousands of dollars those companies reportedly helped generate for Hsu that bankrolled his donations.

Many donations Hsu harvested for his Democratic politician friends came from people who, like himself, were not registered to vote. Some political finance experts have noted the families did not appear wealthy enough to afford the big-money checks they reportedly wrote to Clinton and others.

Hsu's spokesman did not respond to a request for comment from the Blotter on ABCNews.com. Hsu and the donors have denied wrongdoing and say the donations were all legal. Clinton's campaign said it has donated to charity the money it received directly from Hsu. Many other campaigns have followed suit.

Now in custody, Hsu is being held without bail and facing years behind bars. Once he's sentenced to prison, California will take away his right to the ballot which he apparently never exercised.

In perhaps an ironic twist, the state won't take away his right to make political donations, Ryan said. State law does not prohibit felons from contributing to political campaigns, leaving Hsu free to continue funneling thousands of dollars to candidates and groups of his choice.

"If a candidate wants to accept it, that's a different story," Ryan noted.
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What 1 Chinese American says:

This whole Hsu's thing makes me wonder how corruptive and dangerous our political system is in. You look at this crook: He screwed a number of poor chinese with phony scam by milking them one mil and got himself kidnapped. He escaped to HK for few years and back to NYC. The stupid media reports him some kind of successful business man while the address of all his companies are either bogus or mail box number. Is his business legitimate given his criminal background? Is this reasonable for us to suspect where his money and wealthy is coming from? This guy has never been involved political process only until after 2003. He is all of sudden so interested in Democratic Party's cause and turning into huge contributor of Dems. I couldn't believer my eyes this freak donated money dems from all levels, some as low as city coucileman to where he even does reside in.
What is relationship between Hsu and Paw family? How the money thing works in these two? How come a poor mail carrier making postal office wage can write some 200k checks to dems. Interestingly, Paw family does not show any pattern of being politically active, let along democratic party's politics.
Why all these criminal donators (remember Johnny?) are targetting dems?
Can our "journalist" dig into a little deep to see if communist China is behind all these?
All in all, our liberal friends won't be happy. That would cause them 08.
By the way, I am chinese american, I don't buy your liberal non-sense. I do not need a care or AA from government or your party!
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What's the point here?

When they found out about him, they donated it to charity.
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Their much more to the story. This behavior by Clinton donors has been going on longer than you've been alive.

Why aren't reporters doing their jobs on this story? What textile company is Hsu involved in? IF he's a businessman then what do we know about his companies. This is a big story with a lot of questions. Why can't we learn the facts behind this story? Why aren't we hearing about the bundled money, who did it come from, why isn't Hillary returning the bundled money? I've read that Hsu is here illegally and that the majority of the people Hsu bundled money from are here illegally and like Hsu most have never even voted.
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Bush would have never made it into office with out Ennon support and money.

And there are dozens of Bush people connected to Ennon.


That is the story that never got the press it deserved.


Ken Lay died one day
and was cremated the next?

Is there a history of cremation in the Lay family?


No body no autopsy.

If Lay went away for 20-30 years do you think he might have flipped? found Jesus, started giving up some people that did not look out for him?
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Bush would have never made it into office with out Ennon support and money.

And there are dozens of Bush people connected to Ennon.


That is the story that never got the press it deserved.


Ken Lay died one day
and was cremated the next?

Is there a history of cremation in the Lay family?


No body no autopsy.

If Lay went away for 20-30 years do you think he might have flipped? found Jesus, started giving up some people that did not look out for him?
In that light do you view Norman's recent train ride while on the lam evading authorities, where they found him nearly dead, as a staged/botched suicide attempt by Clinton operatives?

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it's impossible for HRC to personaly vet every single doner, and you don't hear her talking about "Kenny-Boy" either.

they donated the money to charity.

what else are they supposed to do?

but keep spinning it as some sort of quid-pro-quo with the MSM, who are all pulling for the girl to win because they all share her communist vision for universal health care achieved through 50% taxation and a weaker military because we need to be nicer to other nations, and you know what, that Bin Laden sure does make a few good points.
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and you just *know* the R's are in trouble since they're going back to sobbing and moaning and throwing tantrums about the "mainstream media" like they did in the 1990s.

get some ideas.
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besides it is easier to fight them here

we are already here
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get some ideas.
Here's an idea:

We're a nation of law and order, what say you?


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Their much more to the story. This behavior by Clinton donors has been going on longer than you've been alive.

Why aren't reporters doing their jobs on this story? What textile company is Hsu involved in? IF he's a businessman then what do we know about his companies. This is a big story with a lot of questions. Why can't we learn the facts behind this story? Why aren't we hearing about the bundled money, who did it come from, why isn't Hillary returning the bundled money? I've read that Hsu is here illegally and that the majority of the people Hsu bundled money from are here illegally and like Hsu most have never even voted.
And it doesn't happen with any republicans? Give me a break.

They find out about it, they give to charity. What more do you want from them?

This isn't a big story, because the democrats donated the money. I don't see your point here. You keep asking about the money. Your article says they donated it! Where are you going with this?
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This thread = joke

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Here's an idea:

We're a nation of law and order, what say you?



well, firstly, can you show me where Hillary broke the law? and can you show me where she's responsible when people who donate to her campaign and they've broken the law unbeknownst to her? can you tell me what she would have done differently?

anyway, as for "law and order," that's quite convenient, no? wire-tapping, invading other countries, holding suspects in Gitmo without ever charing them with anything.

the law is whatever Bush feels like suits him best, so don't throw these stones when you've got a sparkling glass house of your own.
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Re: Norman, Hilary and Media Silence

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What's this all about and why is the main stream media ignoring this issue?
It was the lead (column one, top of page) in the Los Angeles Times Newspaper?

also the NY Times is not ignoring

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/11/us...ics/11hsu.html

I have also seen it on CNN and MSNBC news channels today


but go ahead
claim they are ignoring
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but go ahead
claim they are ignoring


you know how (some) Christians feel they are discriminated against and that someone is out to get them when someone says "happy holidays"?

same thing here.
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"happy holidays"?

hey

Christ died for your sins, too
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hey

Christ died for your sins, too


not according to Patti Smith.

Seasons Greetings!
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not according to Patti Smith.

great reference...
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GO FREDDY!

Rival charges Hillary Clinton turned blind eye to Hsu's past
5 hrs ago » Rival charges Hillary Clinton turned blind eye to Hsu's past «


(Gerald Herbert/AP)
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton listens as U.S. Ambassador to Iraq, Ryan Crocker and Gen. David Petraeus, not pictured, testify on the future course of the war in Iraq, Tuesday, Sept. 11, during a hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee. WASHINGTON (Map, News) - Hillary Clinton's links to illegal fundraising by Asian-Americans in 1996 should have made her wary of accepting $850,000 from a fugitive Asian-American this year, a rival presidential campaign said Tuesday.

The criticism came from an adviser to former Republican Sen. Fred Thompson, who chaired a Senate investigation into illegal contributions by Asian-Americans to Bill Clinton's re-election campaign and the couple's legal defense fund in the 1996 election cycle.

Thompson adviser Rich Galen said Clinton's 2008 campaign has become "the sequel" to her husband's scandal-plagued 1996 campaign.

Late Monday, Clinton announced she was returning $850,000 raised by fugitive Norman Hsu, who jumped bail in 1992 after being convicted of defrauding investors of $1 million. Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson said the campaign was "unaware" of a warrant for Hsu's arrest.

"You have to look at this with a great deal of skepticism that - having been through this sort of thing in '96 - that nobody thought to say, 'Hey, you know, we better take another look at this before we take all this money,' " he said.

"And the fact that nobody did - or if they did, they decided to just put their finger in front of their lips and say shhh and try to sneak off into the distance - tells you a great deal about the fact that the Hillary Clinton campaign is the Bill Clinton campaign redux."

Wolfson said, "We reject the suggestion that suspicion should be based on ethnicity in America.

"Mr. Hsu donated to numerous charities and more than two dozen candidates and committees," he told The Examiner. "Despite conducting a thorough review of public records, our campaign, like these others, was unaware of Mr. Hsu's decade-plus-old warrant."

In 2005, prior to raising funds for Clinton, Hsu co-hosted a fundraiser for Barack Obama, who later became a Democratic presidential candidate. Obama's campaign is now investigating the validity of $19,000 in contributions it accepted from people associated with Hsu.

"Are you suggesting we should have racially profiled Hsu because he's Asian?" Obama spokesman Bill Burton asked.


Clinton is returning donations to 260 people who were recruited by Hsu. The FBI is investigating whether these were merely "straw" donors who were funneling money from Hsu to Clinton to skirt campaign finance laws.

In March 1996, Bill and Hillary Clinton's legal defense fund accepted money from straw donors recruited by Yah Lin "Charlie" Trie. The Taiwan-born Democrat hand-delivered hundreds of thousands of dollars' worth of checks and money orders in two manila envelopes to the defense fund.
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yep, here's his roll -- he has nothing to run on, no record to speak of, so his job is to start attacking HRC as soon and as often as possible.

way to go, republicans.
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