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Old 03-07-2003, 11:59 AM   #1
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No just cause for war resolution: UN

Well the inspectors have tabled their report.

I don't think I need to say a word, the evidence speaks for itself.

(Note I am doing a cut and paste from a CNN site)


BLIX'S POINTS:
Inspectors have faced "relatively few difficulties" in access to Iraqi sites, possibly due to strong outside pressure.


Iraq should be able to provide more documentary evidence about its weapons programs.


Iraq has provided inspectors with names of people who took part in destruction of biological and chemical weapons in 1991, but that indicates it should have records.


Inspectors have found no evidence of mobile weapons production centers, which the United States has alleged exist.


The destruction of 30+ Al Samoud 2 missiles is a "substantial" step. (*I deleted the end of the sentence as I feel that was has or has not taken place on a day not yet finished to be irrelevant*)


Iraq is making a serious effort to quantify biological and chemical weapons destroyed in 1991.


ELBARADEI'S POINTS
Iraq's industrial capacity "has deteriorated" at inspected sites due to lack of maintenance and money.


Iraqi scientists have agreed to be interviewed without escorts or being recorded.


Inspectors are still seeking to interview scientists outside Iraq.


Inspectors have found no evidence that Iraq, which purchased high-strength aluminum tubes, wanted to use them for nuclear weapons production.


Inspectors have found no evidence that Iraq has revived its nuclear weapons program.
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Old 03-07-2003, 12:39 PM   #2
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Yep, but let's not forget that he also feels they are not cooperating yet. That is a key component to disarmament.

WAHINGTON POST:

Chief U.N. weapons inspector Hans Blix told the Security Council this morning that Iraq's cooperation with inspectors has been accelerating, a development he called "welcome" but still short of the unconditional cooperation demanded by Security Council resolutions.

His cautious, balanced assessment said Iraq has undertaken "a substantial measure of disarmament" by commencing destruction of its proscribed Al Samoud-2 missiles and that inspectors have been able to interview an increasing number of Iraqi weapons scientists and technicians.

But he also said Iraq has failed to deliver documents that it should have about its claimed destruction of biological and poison gas weapons in the 1990s. Iraq's foot-dragging on this point has been "a disappointment," Blix said.


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I dont think he is condemning the Iraqis at all.

I'd like to hear about any country that 100% complied with every letter of every UN resolution on.

The key to me is that he is demonstrating that the Iraqis are displaying significant cooperation, ok, not full yet, and that inspections are working and should be given more time.

He certainly is not supporting the war drive by Bush and Co., in my opinion.
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If IRAQ completely disarmed I think Bush would still send us to war.
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If IRAQ completely disarmed I think Bush would still send us to war.
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Can't say just yet.

Soon.

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If IRAQ completely disarmed I think Bush would still send us to war.
If we evaluate the current sitatuation from this perspective, then Bush is always wrong.
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so you don't agree with that hypothesis?
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Bush is always wrong.
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so you don't agree with that hypothesis?
Correct. While the United State, along with the rest of the industrial world, has an interest access to the oil resources in the region, there seems to be an underlying assumption that GWB will gain a personal economic/political benefit from invading Iraq and will do so even if Iraq fully complies with the UN mandates.
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Correct. While the United State, along with the rest of the industrial world, has an interest access to the oil resources in the region, there seems to be an underlying assumption that GWB will gain a personal economic/political benefit from invading Iraq and will do so even if Iraq fully complies with the UN mandates.
I don't agree with that hypothesis either. Bush made it very clear in his speech last night that he intends to go in, with or without UN backing as soon as that resolution is voted on.
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I don't agree with that hypothesis either. Bush made it very clear in his speech last night that he intends to go in, with or without UN backing as soon as that resolution is voted on.
Bush's statement is the only way to apply pressure to Saddam. The only reason we are this far in the inspection process has been the imminent threat of force. No amount of UN resolution passing will cause Saddam to disarm.
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If IRAQ completely disarmed I think Bush would still send us to war.

Absolutely. He and Rumsfeld are determined to go to war in Iraq no matter what. They could get rid of all of their swords and there would still be a war.
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Bush's statement is the only way to apply pressure to Saddam. The only reason we are this far in the inspection process has been the imminent threat of force. No amount of UN resolution passing will cause Saddam to disarm.
sad, but true

I still feel war with Iraq isn't a good idea when you don't have a good plan on what will happen in Iraq afterwards and how to deal with it
so I hope that the plans they have will work out
because backing off Saddam can't be a good idea either
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sad, but true

I still feel war with Iraq isn't a good idea when you don't have a good plan on what will happen in Iraq afterwards and how to deal with it
so I hope that the plans they have will work out
because backing off Saddam can't be a good idea either
I agree, you need to have specific goals. That is one of the major problems I saw with last nights speech. Bush was asked specifically what would happen after Saddam was removed, how much would it cost in both lives as well as money, and what effect he saw it having on the economy here in the US. He blatantly ignored those questions.
I got the feeling that they, or he, hadn't really thought it out to that point, or don't they believe that people can handle the truth?
I also agree on the point that Saddam is the type that seems to need threats to get him to do what needs doing, but at the same time, there needs to be restaint. Saddam DOES need to be dealt with but at what cost?
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