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Old 12-17-2007, 07:26 PM   #21
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There will NEVER be 100% absolute doubt of guilt, yet death is 100% absolute.

It has nothing to do with pleading the case of the killers.



I think he loved the commandments. Remember 'thou shall not kill'? I don't remember the ammendment 'unless they are criminals'.

The Comandment is:

Thou Shall Not Murder
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Old 12-17-2007, 07:35 PM   #22
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Maybe your bible.

But it's beside the point, since you can't ever 100% absolute doubt of guilt.
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I am alway saying that threads like this and on other boards are always pleading the case of the killers, not the victims.
Failing to support state-sponsored executions does not equate with pleading the case for violent criminals.
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Beyond a reasonable doubt is the grounds for guilt in our system. Thus, the death penalty is not applicable because our system is intentionally not infallible.

It's very simple, really.
Iron Horse, do you have any response to this?
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Old 12-17-2007, 07:40 PM   #25
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I did not say we have a perfect system, but I am saying that there are cases where there is no doubt of guilt.
My opposition to the death penalty really isn't related to unreasonable doubt (although I recognize it as a factor). I think it's inhumane and immoral and I couldn't myself pull the plug. So how could I in good conscience require somebody else to do it for me?
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It's alway amazing how some get so concerned over the fate of killers and so unconcerned about their victims.


Jesse Timmendequas and the other convicted killers in N.J. will enjoy three meals a day and life.

Their victims are dead.

No thumbs up from me,
only saddness
I think you're confusing justice with vengeance.
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Old 12-17-2007, 08:31 PM   #27
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It's alway amazing how some get so concerned over the fate of killers and so unconcerned about their victims.


Jesse Timmendequas and the other convicted killers in N.J. will enjoy three meals a day and life.

Their victims are dead.

No thumbs up from me,
only saddness
What exactly is the purpose of the justice system, in your view? Have you ever given this any thought?
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It's alway amazing how some get so concerned over the fate of killers and so unconcerned about their victims.


Jesse Timmendequas and the other convicted killers in N.J. will enjoy three meals a day and life.

Their victims are dead.

No thumbs up from me,
only saddness


how does making more dead bring back the dead?

have you ever been inside a prison?
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Old 12-17-2007, 09:19 PM   #29
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And Jesus?

Did he love evil?


well, he got put to death, so i suppose you should ask him.
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Old 12-17-2007, 09:54 PM   #30
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well, he got put to death, so i suppose you should ask him.
Excellent point .

I dunno. I just know I've seen examples/reenactments of the methods used to put people to death on TV, and all it did was convince me further of how messed up an idea the death penalty is.

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I'm so glad to hear about this. Hopefully other states will follow.

The DP makes no sense -- certainly not from the Christian perspective.
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there are cases where there is no doubt of guilt.







I agree
there are six people in this picture

all of them believe they have the right to take human life
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Old 12-18-2007, 12:05 AM   #33
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And how did God handle the first murderer?
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And how did God handle the first murderer?
God does not have a leg to stand on
in this discussion.

God likes killing.
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The last thing I want is some person claiming their chosen religious beliefs should have any sway over the laws of the land.
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I'm not even sure I understand the Christian pro death penalty argument.

Good for New Jersey.
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I'm not even sure I understand the Christian pro death penalty argument.

There isn't one.
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The death penalty is a barbarity. It is not necessary to 'take the side of the killer' to make that point, although one might note that in a system of supposedly fair trial, the killer ain't the killer until proven so, and somebody must in the meantime take his or her side.

And then there's those messy damn cases where it turns out justice was fallible.

I know what Gandalf the wizard had to say about the death penalty though:

"Many that live deserve death, and many that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not to quick to pass judgement."

Make of it what you will.

But prison isn't a theatre to make us good people feel good. It is, as I see it, a rough mish-mash of 'sending a message' and protecting society from the offender. Depending of course on what their offence was. That's the civics-class version, anyhow. I won't pretend that the system works... so God help us when we take the power of life and death in our hands, yeah?
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i hate that 3 meals a day bullshit.

theres a difference between spending your life outside, doing what you want, going wherever you want, and spending your life in jail, most of the time in a small cell, eating bsic meals, maybe a bit of entertainment, but a whole lot of loneliness, boredom and fear. It ain't a freaking picnic.

And you know what, mabe this is just absolutely FOUL of me to think, but maybe...just maybe, some of those people who killed someone regret it. Maybe there were a shitload of circumstances hat surrounded it, that if whoosh their dead, they ain't ever going to learn.

Now i don't think all murderers are all missunderstood people, not at all, i have extreme feelings towards abusers and child murderers and all of that, and believe they DON'T get a second chance...

but it comes down to one sentence for me.

no one has the right to take someone else life.
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It's alway amazing how some get so concerned over the fate of killers and so unconcerned about their victims.


Jesse Timmendequas and the other convicted killers in N.J. will enjoy three meals a day and life.

Their victims are dead.

No thumbs up from me,
only saddness


BRILLIANT reply!!
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