80sU2isBest said:
Again, no one here thinks that any of that will be the result, so your sarcasm is misdirected.
Not to mention that the sarcasm was rude and uncalled for, Snowlock.
80sU2isBest said:
Again, no one here thinks that any of that will be the result, so your sarcasm is misdirected.
Bonochick said:
Not to mention that the sarcasm was rude and uncalled for, Snowlock.
80sU2isBest said:
Again, no one here thinks that any of that will be the result, so your sarcasm is misdirected.
Snowlock said:
I don't think it was. This entire thread basically is calling everyone who watches the show and who is interested in this particular season a racist. I found it really offensive and arrogant and I wanted to call them on it.
Snowlock said:
K, but if that's the case, then why is "everyone" considering it such a bad idea?
Snowlock said:
I don't think it was. This entire thread basically is calling everyone who watches the show and who is interested in this particular season a racist.
phanan said:The ironic thing about all this reaction, from quite a few people who apparently don't watch the show, is that this is only going to last for a few episodes before there is a merge. It's going to be over and done with very quickly.
phanan said:
I personally don't care for the arrangement, but if the people involved don't have an issue with it, then I don't either.
maycocksean said:Well, I guess I'm going to be very much in the minority here.
First of all, I watch Survivor. Furthermore, I'm what you might call a fan of Survivor. I've watched every season since the first and I've enjoyed them all. I've even tried out for the show (gasp!), though obviously I didn't make it on. (And I'd add that most contestants on the show are like me--not looking to get rich on TV, but instead wanting to test themselves to see if they could do it, to see if they could be the "Sole Survivor." The arrogance towards the show, the fans, and the contestants I've come across on this topic is just breathtaking.)
So now that my "secret shame" is out there for all to see. . .
My thoughts on this new season. I'm really surprised that CBS has chosen this route. It's kind of insane really, and filled with all kinds of pitfalls, I predict.
However, I'm not nearly as stirred up with horror as most of the posters are here. Perhaps that has to do with my not looking down my nose at the show to begin with, I don't know.
I should point out here for those that don't already know, that I'm black.
To be honest, my first thought was, finally we'll have more than one or two "token" blacks on the show. And multiple Asians! We're lucky if we get one Asian every three years (In fact, Asians seem to be virutally invisible on TV today and I think that's a real shame). I've always disliked how the show was stacked with mostly white contestants and a few token minorities. I often wished there were more black contestants for example, not just to see people of color "represented" but also because I always felt that the token minority was at a disadvantage--already on the "outside" by virtue of race. I thought having several black contestants would change the dynamic of the show in interesting ways. I always sensed that the producers of Survivor (and of most TV shows-- reality or not) were afraid that too many people of color on a given program would make white viewers feel this was a "black" show, and thus not for them. So, my feelings about Survivor and race have never been exactly positive, even though I am a fan of the show.
I think it's kind of sad that this is what it takes to see more minorities on Survivor, and I too question the wisdom of pitting races against one another. Like most crazy decisions--like the soldier that runs straight into enemy fire--it's either really brave or really stupid. I for one prefer to see the show before making the judgement as to which it is.
I don't know. . .I have a lot of conflicting thoughts on this and I'm afraid to really pursue any of them since I'm not even sure I agree with me yet.
I know that I disagree with the contention that people will "band together for the shallow reason of race." In our country, I'm not sure that reason is so "shallow." There is often a lot more behind race than skin color. People share cultures, worldviews, heritage, and that factors in too. People who are in the minority often feel a sense of solidarity with those who are share that minority status, and there's nothing inherently shallow about that.
So I'm not going to have to see one black guy trying to fit in with a bunch of white folks this season.
I'd also suggest that racism is an uncomfortable subject, but I don't think that means it shouldn't be addressed. I read an undertone of fear in many of the posts on this thread--what if the show plays out our stereotypes and prejudices, what if the white team indeed does dominate? What does that say? What will it mean? Some would say, let's not even think about it, let's not even give an opportunity for that to happen. I say, bring it on. Let's tackle this shit. I don't think there are simple answers here. Let's get into it.
Now, if you despise reality tv then surely you will feel that this is the worst arena in which to deal with "serious issues" such as racism, but then perhaps that is more an issue of how "worthwhile" the arena of discussion is rather than the subject of racism itself.
80sU2isBest said:
I've already explained that. It will stir up feelings of race superiority and competition within the cast members. Will society start following suit, and start race riots? No. But it's still not a good thing.
Snowlock said:
So then what you are telling me is, were you to go on Survivor and be split according to race, you would think your race is superior? I don't know if its fair that you're taking your own racist thoughts and projecting them onto others.
Unless of course you don't believe you yourself would react in that way.
ntalwar said:I think the main issue is that false stereotypes can emerge of entire groups based on the portrayal by a few.
ntalwar said:
The winner of Season 1 was convicted of tax evasion and accused of using the money from his charity for personal use.
So, I would beg to differ on the financial motivation.
I think they(CBS) are already using stereotypes.
One stereotype is having a Hispanic team. Hispanic is not a race.
Another stereotype is for the Asian team, which seems to be people of East Asian descent and not South, West, or North Asian.
80sU2isBest said:
No, I do not think my race is superior. That's one reason I would absolutely refuse to do the show. I do believe there are non-racists who will do the show anyway. However, I believe that there are probably people on the show who do have racist feelings and of course, they will not refuse to do the show. It will turn into a race war for some of the contestants; I really think that is a big danger in this situation.
Irvine511 said:
yes, but you see, when you get into the whole, "i think that you're thinking the following ..." you're being absolutely no different.
Snowlock said:This "outcry" is a perfect example of PC going too far.
Snowlock said:
Which is exactly why I said this:
"It's your own damn arrogance that you believe people less intelligent than you (which is everyone that doesn't agree with you) will use the results of the show as an excuse to deport illegal immigrants, burn crosses, and uh, copy the asian kid's math test."
Which of course is an exaggeration, but gets to the heart of the matter. Let people make their own decisions rather than decrying something for the "greater good". This "outcry" is a perfect example of PC going too far.
Snowlock said:
Not really. I just proved it. Whenever someone is worried about the decisions of others, not their well being, or whatnot; but the choices they make, it just seems to always come down to the fact that they think they know what's best.
80sU2isBest said:
It's your own arrogance that makes you think you know what people on here "really mean"
Bonochick said:Could we knock off the bickering, please? If we can't just discuss this in a civil, respectful manner, the thread will be closed.
bonosgirl84 said:i've never missed a single episode of survivor since the show began.
here's my thought.
if the people who are actually ON the show don't care about being divided into races, why should anyone else?