Mrs. Royal, future female President of France?

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C'mon Royal!

At least that veteran right-wing fascist tosser was eliminated from the race, he seemed like a right prick.

Here's hoping Sarkozy loses....
 
I hope Royal will be the next french president since Sarkozy is just another of these right national anti-immigrant criminals. Will not forget his mean actions and words when the banlieu was burning.

I don´t like Sarkozys politics, but I don´t know what Segalene stands for...? Media just makes it a match between 2 personalities, but what is the political program of Royal?
 
20 million watched the debate

Royal brought her A game

Sarkozys played it safe and made no blunders


at least, this is what I have heard on public radio
I guess this means Sarkozys wins by 2-3 % instead of 4-5 % :shrug:
 
She was great although I'm biased.

we watched the deabte as a football game, that was an interesting night. She won over him on the subject of education and nuclear and proved he was lying many times. He was suprisingly cool...he must have played hard to keep his nerves.
 
i haven't much to add, but it's been very interesting to observe -- am envious of both the apparence of a genuine choice for the French people, as well as their enviable widespread political attention.
 
Voting With Their Feet

By Anne Applebaum
slate.com, May 1, 2007


To anyone steeped in the thousand-year history of Anglo-French enmity—that bitter struggle over power, influence, and the edibility of snails—the highlight of France's presidential election campaign was surely the speech that Nicolas Sarkozy, the center-right candidate (and now the very precarious front-runner), gave earlier this year in London. Standing in the heart of the financial district, Sarkozy heaped compliments upon his country's historic enemy. The British capital was, he said, a "town that seems more and more prosperous and dynamic every time I come here." More important, it had become "one of the greatest French cities." He understood, furthermore, that hundreds of thousands of Frenchmen had moved to Britain because "they are risk-takers, and risk is a bad word" in France. With distinctly un-English passion (some things never change), he pleaded with them to come back: "Come home, because together we will make France a great country where everything will be possible, where fathers won't fear for the future of their children, and where everyone will be able to make their plans come true, and be responsible for their own destiny."

Unfortunately, it seems that even a Sarkozy victory in the final round of voting next Sunday won't persuade all of the 2 million-plus French exiles to come home. Asked by a pollster, "Are you satisfied with your life abroad?" 93% of French émigrés recently said "yes." Asked, "When do you expect to return to France?" 25% answered "never."

To Americans, who've gotten used to the idea that people take jobs far from home, that people move to places where the economy is better, and that, consequently, some cities shrink (St. Louis) while others grow (Los Angeles), there is nothing odd about the fact that the French now vote with their feet. There are better-paid jobs in London, taxes are lower in London, the economy grows faster in London: tant pis for Paris. But Europeans have not, historically, been quite so mobile. Even a decade ago, tradition and sentiment kept people at home; legal and linguistic barriers made it hard to move, even if they wanted to go.

Thanks to the European Union, which has opened borders and eliminated employment barriers, it is now not only possible to move, it is downright easy. And not only for the French. Something like a million Poles have also left home since Poland joined the European Union in 2004, largely for England and Ireland. Unlike France, Poland is booming. But, as in France, high employment taxes and complex regulations mean that jobs for young Poles are still too scarce and badly paid. Abroad, they earn more and are treated better. When they come back (if they come back), they'll demand no less. The plumbers in Warsaw already expect to be paid something remarkably close to what you'd pay a plumber in Berlin—if, that is, you can find a plumber in Warsaw.

All this is, of course, precisely what previous generations of European politicians have feared. For the past decade, French, German, and other European leaders have tried to unify European tax laws and regulations, the better to "even out the playing field"—or, depending on your point of view, to make life equally difficult everywhere. The emigration patterns of the last decade—and the last five years in particular—prove that this effort has failed. Sarkozy's election campaign, if successful, might put the final nail in the coffin.

The political and economic consequences of this new mobility could be quite profound. Countries like Poland and France may soon be forced to scrap those regulations and taxes that hamper employment, however much the French unions and the Polish bureaucracy want to keep them in place: If they don't, their young people won't come home. They may also have to alter their rhetoric. Sarkozy's Socialist opponent, Ségolène Royal, now uses words like "entrepreneurship" at least some of the time, too.

Down the road, there could also be cultural consequences. A few weeks ago, I wrote about the European Union's failure to create anything resembling a meaningful European "Idea." Almost by accident, the European Union may have created a new kind of European citizen instead: mobile, English-speaking, Internet-using, perhaps with the same nostalgia for Krakow or Dijon that first-generation New Yorkers feel for Missouri or Mississippi, but nevertheless willing to live pretty much anywhere. Sarkozy is the first European politician to appeal directly to these new Europeans. Even if he loses, he probably won't be the last.
 
MissMaCo said:
She was great although I'm biased.

we watched the deabte as a football game, that was an interesting night. She won over him on the subject of education and nuclear and proved he was lying many times. He was suprisingly cool...he must have played hard to keep his nerves.

Do you really thought she was that great ? She was very agressiv to me and all the media proved the day after that both him and her were wrong about % and facts on both subject...
At least she proved she could be tought and strong against adversity... I fear it won't be enough...

i heard people talking around me in the mall today... some of them are afraid...mostly for their cars tomorrow night. the polls are betting Sarkozy will win 54-46 or around, and a lot of people fear the suburbs will explode again.
I'm not that pessimst because even if i fear Sarkozy will won i don't really think there 'll be incidents tomorrow night..; may be later... he s kind of great to bring up fear and hatred in people...
 
Anyway, don't read me wrong, i'm an activ member of the TSS front (tout sauf sarko : anybody except sarkozy), but i fear it's too late... anybody knows were i could emigrate, when i'll be living in sarkoland ??
 
mumu2006, I don't think she was aggressive, she had a sane and founded anger. As you said, she proved she could be strong, and the suprise is that Sarkozy was the cool one, something highly weird!

where are you from btw?
 
MissMaCo said:
mumu2006, I don't think she was aggressive, she had a sane and founded anger. As you said, she proved she could be strong, and the suprise is that Sarkozy was the cool one, something highly weird!

where are you from btw?

i'm from Paris.
Don't forget to vote :)
 
Looks like Sarkozy is the winner...

Sarkozy 'wins French presidency'

Conservative Nicolas Sarkozy has won the French presidential election, according to projections made from partial results.
Mr Sarkozy is estimated to have won 53% of the vote, compared to 47% for socialist Segolene Royal.

The turnout was the highest in decades at 85.5%.

Mr Sarkozy, the son of a Hungarian immigrant, takes over from the 74-year-old Jacques Chirac, who has been in power for 12 years.

Police deployed

Ms Royal is the first woman ever to have made it to the second round of a French presidential election.

Conceding defeat, she thanked 17m French people for their votes, saying she could measure their sadness and their pain.

Thousands of Mr Sarkozy's supporters burst into applause and wild cheering at the concert hall where he is expected to make a speech.


Mr Sarkozy has promised to try to reform France to face the challenges of the 21st century, with putting the nation back to work at the top of his agenda.
But the BBC's Caroline Wyatt in Paris says he will have to work hard to unite the French, and try to win round those who voted against him.

More than 3,000 police have been deployed in Paris and its multi-ethnic suburbs in case Mr Sarkozy's victory sparks a repeat of the riots seen in 2005.

French pundits greeted the record turnout as a victory for French democracy.



Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/europe/6630797.stm
 
I'm watching election coverage on TV5 and they interviewed Jean Marie le Pen.....he was saying something like the vote shows that the French are wary of Socialist policies and it wasn't a vote against Royal, the person, but rather the party.

He also said that he doesn't find Sarkozy's policies sincere.

Again, I have trouble with the French accent but this is what I understood!
 
Bonne chance, la France. Avec ce type, je crois que vous auriez besoin (de la chance). :|
 
Bravo Grande Nation!

So now you have an an immigrant from Hungary belittling other immigrants.

I am waiting to see the policies, but somehow I doubt he will be as extreme as his friend right-winger Le Pen.

Maybe he´ll just continue France´s way, a few more nuclear plants, arms exports in other countries etc. but he´s not a complete nut like Bush.

Even if he was one of the very few European politicians who spoke out for Bush´s Iraq invasion.

- Sula, what a beautiful picture! -
 
There is hope for France after all! Socialism needs to finally die.
 
85.5% turnout! Wow. :up:

The people have spoken. Not sure about their choice, but they turned out in droves and voted.
 
AEON said:
There is hope for France after all! Socialism needs to finally die.



while i don't consider myself a socialist, there are many, many things about France that are better than in the US, such as health care, life expectancy, the lack of obesity, an 85% turnout (!!!), no political nonsense about evolution and sex and morality (war is considered a far more moral issue than what politician is sleeping with who), and the foresight not to get involved in Iraq.

i envy the French many things. perhaps it is socialism that has given them all these positive attributes?
 
Damnit!

AEON said:
There is hope for France after all! Socialism needs to finally die.

Oh yeah, healthcare, social welfare, support for society's disadvantaged, they're such terrible things, aren't they? As a social democrat, all I can say is that the world needs less neoliberalism, less capitalism, and a bit more of a swing towards socialism. Socialism is not nearly as discredited as some people in the US seem to think it is.
 
AEON said:
There is hope for France after all! Socialism needs to finally die.

I really have to laugh at some of the neo-cons in here. Some of you act as if you are the conservatives of yesterday. I still see some of you use "smaller government" arguments, well look in the mirror. And these communist is the enemy, socialism has to die, and other marxist conspiracies...really? Come on.

Tell me AEON, why exactly does it have to die?
 
It should be considered that the Socialist Party in France is not comparable to the socialists that formed the communist countries around the world, which could come to mind.
So, Aeon, you might think of a Chavez socialism, which really is no alternative at all, but the party Segolene Royal stands for is far from this policy.
It's closer to Social Democrats in other European countries.
 
Do people still equate socialism with commies?:huh:

What a world we live in.
 
pro or con socialism (which indeed isn't communism in France) let me tell you this from the inside : Sarkozy is a total jerk (the french Bush) : poor France !
 
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