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[bonofnattic]

I really could care less about what some bloke from Britain thinks of my President. I think Bush is the right man for this term in office. He's not as 'sexy' as Clinton, because he doesn't court Hollywood and isn't buddies with U2 (that I know of)....but I'll bet that he and Clinton could BOTH hold their own when, back in the day, it came to 'blow.' (shame on me for bringing up sensational rumours) I mean, do either of those guys have a nasal septum? War on drugs? Gimme a break.

I respect G.W. for not abandoning entirely the conservative constituency and for having some testicles. I mean, at least Bush doesn't have to read the polls to decide what time of day to use the pot. oooooops..Did I say pot? Geesh, that could confuse Bush, Clinton, AND Gore. War on Drugs? Gimme a break.

I think they're still cleaning the white powder off of the runway in Mena, Arkansas.

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[bonofnattic]

What can I say? I've an insane sense-of-humour.

I just have a big problem with people trying to make G.W. Bush out to be such a bad guy, when he's no worse than Clinton nor Gore, who are both huge hypocrites (in my humble opinion).

[Klodomir]

http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~brians/errors/care.html

[bonofnattic]

Ah...I see, Klodomir. Looks like I need to return to English 101!

[melon]

To be fair to both, I dislike Bush, but I am not the largest Clinton fan. We need a true liberal president.

Bush, for instance, feeds people lines of bullshit. He wants dictatorial authority to arrange free trade agreements, which, I can guarantee, will be overturned by the Supreme Court, much in the same manner line-item vetos were overturned, because it gives the executive branch too much power and limits the authority of the legislature.

However, Bush very well knows that the gears of the Supreme Court turn slowly, so he's betting on it taking maybe six months to a year to overturn, which in the meantime, he can wreak his damage. Thus, if a Democrat gets into the presidency in 2004, this power won't even exist. Smart, but corrupt.

Free trade will only help to drive work out of the U.S. to third-world nations, particularly since the economic indicators of a "healthy economy" is on suppressed wages and higher business profits. Do we ever hear this? No. All we are told is that "free trade" will get us out of our recession. That's all fine and dandy, but I could really care less about business profits if it means less good paying jobs.

Melon

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"He had lived through an age when men and women with energy and ruthlessness but without much ability or persistence excelled. And even though most of them had gone under, their ignorance had confused Roy, making him wonder whether the things he had striven to learn, and thought of as 'culture,' were irrelevant. Everything was supposed to be the same: commercials, Beethoven's late quartets, pop records, shopfronts, Freud, multi-coloured hair. Greatness, comparison, value, depth: gone, gone, gone. Anything could give some pleasure; he saw that. But not everything provided the sustenance of a deeper understanding." - Hanif Kureishi, Love in a Blue Time

[bonofnattic]

I'm one of the few "Republicans" who would agree that this is a frightening prospect, but I guess only time will tell if it is to be realized. My late dad, when Clinton was Ark. Gov., attempted to discuss the betrayal of Americans by so-called "free-trade" with Mr. Clinton, who'd have no such discussion. There is little difference that I can see between Clinton and Bush on this matter. Of course, I'm not the most politically learned.

I have no problem with "capitalism", so-long as it is loyal to the average worker. That never seems to be the case, though. I am equally fearful of socialism/communism, which has proven that it cannot work. I don't think that our next President should be a true liberal economically, but a true conservative, that is someone who keeps the jobs in the U.S., and whose interests include profit not only for the CEO's, but for the common American as well. To me, that, albeit maybe not possible, is true patriotism.

I'm still glad Bush won over Gore, though, don't get me wrong. Gore has never seemed to be loyal to any cause when it didn't fit his political best-interest. Reference "You Are Being Lied To" with an interesting article on Al Gore's many hypocricies. (as well as some silly stuff about G.W......am I biased, or what??)

I respect President Bush, which is something I haven't been able to do for a President in 8 years.

[melon]

I think what you want a true fiscal conservative and a social liberal. Unfortunately, I have seen very very few of these. What Democrats spend lots on, Republicans simply shift the spending elsewhere, with neither side truly reducing spending or caring about the average worker.

Why I am Democrat is simply because I believe they are the closest in being able to help the average worker, although Clinton's economic policies emulated the Republican agenda too much. Hence, my problems with Clinton. Republicans, however, will never get beyond their loyalty to big business, and have proven that to be the case.

Melon

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"He had lived through an age when men and women with energy and ruthlessness but without much ability or persistence excelled. And even though most of them had gone under, their ignorance had confused Roy, making him wonder whether the things he had striven to learn, and thought of as 'culture,' were irrelevant. Everything was supposed to be the same: commercials, Beethoven's late quartets, pop records, shopfronts, Freud, multi-coloured hair. Greatness, comparison, value, depth: gone, gone, gone. Anything could give some pleasure; he saw that. But not everything provided the sustenance of a deeper understanding." - Hanif Kureishi, Love in a Blue Time

[Miss MacPhisto]

I have little respect for Bush, Gore, *and* Clinton. They all suck,lol.
When i can actually see that this country has improved, and meet people who'd lives have actually improved thanks to some modern political figure, maybe then i will gain some respect for those people. But they have to earn it, and i am not the easiest person to convince. I've seen enough to know better.

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Well tonight thank God it's them, instead of you...

[Lemonite]

Originally posted by Klodomir:
http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~brians/errors/care.html

Apparently Klodomir has taken to the Guerilla Implication TActic, Drop a Shit in the Thread and get the hell out..

Klodomir, I rarely agree with you, but The guerilla tactic is an underused powerful device.

I salute your attempt at trying to venture into this foray, however, a web link... regardless of what it leads to, Is not quite a frightening Display.. .HOWEVER.. HAd you Hidden the Link in a Close-Up Photo of Richard Harris, That would have been a Yam-Tastic Adventure for Us Posters World Round

[Spiral_Staircase]

Originally posted by melon:
Bush, for instance, feeds people lines of bullshit. He wants dictatorial authority to arrange free trade agreements...
Smart, but corrupt.

I assume you're refering to "fast-track" negotiating authority? I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure every president since Nixon has had that authority, except Clinton and G.W. Bush, who have both asked Congress to give it to them. Would you say that Clinton (or Carter, or Reagan) had the same "smart but corrupt" plan when he asked congress to give him this authority?

If you're talking about something other than "fast-track", then forget what I said. I'm a moron.

At the risk of wasting time (in the event that you are talking about a "dictatorial authority" other than "fast-track" negotiating authority) I should also point out that Congress still has to ratify any trade agreements the president makes, and that this authority was granted to many presidents without the Supreme Court overturning it.

palabra.


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[Anthony]

Originally posted by bonofnattic:
I really could care less about what some bloke from Britain thinks of my President.

Of course you are right, however, anyone could have the same approach to any thing with that attitude; some Taliban-supporting Afghan could probably say the same thing about your president, but you would dismiss such an opinion as simply ignorant. Its not particularly the most constructive attitude to uphold.

Ant.

[bonofnattic]

You are correct, my fellow bloke. I don't think the Taliban analogy really applies here, but you're basically right. Actually, I must care what you think or I wouldn't have reacted as such.

My mood seems to rule my response too much of the time.