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Old 09-01-2005, 08:13 AM   #21
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So now we are going to politicize natural disasters....

Disappointing to say the least.


yes, it's terrible when people politicize disasters and massive death, like, say, 9-11 ...

i don't think anyone is politicizing Katrina itself, but they are politicizing (and in some cases, rightfully so) the following:

1. rising ocean temperatures, due to global warming, might not increase the number of hurricanes but they absolutely do increase the strength of the hurricanes

2. the diminishing wetlands around New Orleans is an issue -- wetlands are a natural barrier to floods

3. despite continuous warnings that hurricanes could hit New Orleans -- i remember hearing, and this might be wrong, that a hurricane hitting NO was one of the three most likely natural disasters to hit the US according to FEMA in 2001 -- the Bush administration and Republican controlled Congress in recent years have repeatedly denied full funding for hurricane preparation and flood control.

4. the 3,000 Louisiana National Guard troops in Iraq who are needed more at home than over there.



also, don't think it's just the left politicizing this. take (not seriously) for example this:

"Although the loss of lives is deeply saddening, this act of God destroyed a wicked city. From 'Girls Gone Wild' to 'Southern Decadence', New Orleans was a city that had its doors wide open to the public celebration of sin. May it never be the same. Let us pray for those ravaged by this disaster. However, we must not forget that the citizens of New Orleans tolerated and welcomed the wickedness in their city for so long," - Michael Marcavage, in a statement from the evangelical Christian group, "Repent America."

http://www.repentamerica.com/pr_hurricanekatrina.html



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From: Columbia Christians for Life
Subject: Hurricane Katrina satellite image looks like 6-week fetus
To: Columbia Christians for Life

Satellite picture of Hurricane Katrina at NOAA.com looks like a 6-week unborn human child as it comes ashore the Gulf Coast, vicinity states of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida at 12:32 PM, Monday, August 29, 2005



Hurricane "Katrina" (reportedly means "Pure" in Russian) - satellite image - Monday, 29 Aug 05, 12:32 PM (EDT) - coming ashore Gulf Coast - satellite image looks like 6-week fetus

check out NOAA website: www.noaa.gov/

The image of the hurricane above with its eye already ashore at 12:32 PM Monday, August 29 looks like a fetus (unborn human baby) facing to the left (west) in the womb, in the early weeks of gestation (approx. 6 weeks). Even the orange color of the image is reminiscent of a commonly used pro-life picture of early prenatal development (see sign with picture of 8-week pre-born human child below). In this picture, and in another picture in today's on-line edition of USA Today*, this hurricane looks like an unborn human child.

Louisiana has 10 child-murder-by-abortion centers - FIVE are in New Orleans
www.ldi.org ('Find an Abortion Clinic [sic]')
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Old 09-01-2005, 08:26 AM   #22
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When I can't send any relief money because it costs me $4 a gallon for gas and I have to decide between someone without water and me without a way to get to food, you tell me what I should be doing?

I saw 3000 people die in NYC and I aM sick of hearing "freedom" over and over and over again to justify a war in Iraq in their names while their murderer is still free. If that wasn't a political move, I don't know what is.
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Maybe our oil companies can make a substantial donation on our behalf.

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Maybe our oil companies can make a substantial donation on our behalf.

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I know this is hard, Melon, but in a time like this we should think rational. Oil companies donating money.

That being said, the government better give them some money quick to 1) fix the oil rigs and 2) get the refineries running.
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I know this is hard, Melon, but in a time like this we should think rational. Oil companies donating money.
I'm sorry my very scathing sarcasm isn't apparent in textual formats.

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But Europe was unnerved by how ill-prepared the world's biggest economy was for Hurricane Katrina's rampage.
I must say I agree. Did we do anything in terms of disaster preparation, or have we just spent billions of dollars trying to prevent the exact circumstances of 9/11 from ever happening again? Because, you know, each disaster is unique.

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I have to agree with my fellow Canadian, Trevster2k, here. That this happened is a unimaginable tragedy for the American people and a collosal failure and embarassment for the various levels of government involved.

It is inexcusable.
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It doesn't help that the WH's principals have taken so long in showing a sense of urgency.

And it doesn't help when Condi's reportedly doing this:

http://www.gawker.com/news/condoleez...n-shoes-123467

"According to Drudge, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has recently enjoyed a little Broadway entertainment. And Page Six reports that she’s also working on her backhand with Monica Seles. So the Gulf Coast has gone all Mad Max, women are being raped in the Superdome, and Rice is enjoying a brief vacation in New York. We wish we were surprised.

"What does surprise us: Just moments ago at the Ferragamo on 5th Avenue, Condoleeza Rice was seen spending several thousands of dollars on some nice, new shoes (we’ve confirmed this, so her new heels will surely get coverage from the WaPo’s Robin Givhan). A fellow shopper, unable to fathom the absurdity of Rice’s timing, went up to the Secretary and reportedly shouted, “How dare you shop for shoes while thousands are dying and homeless!” Never one to have her fashion choices questioned, Rice had security PHYSICALLY REMOVE the woman.

"Angry Lady, whoever you are, we love you. You are a true American."

And it doesn't help when US authorities are so disorganized, they won't allow other countries, such as Canada and its DART team (which helped out with the Indonesian tsunami victims), to help out in the rescue efforts:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/8/31/235829/261

Time to give Haliburton some contracts to rebuild New Orleans.
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i feel fairly certain that those 3,000 Louisiana National Guard troops would have been far more useful in New Orleans than in Baghdad.
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The City of New Orleans is claiming that the flooding is the federal government's fault. It's crazy. They weren't prepared. There's never been a storm like this, this is worse than Camille. And we didn't start to really get hit like this in Birmingham until Ivan less than a year ago.
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The City of New Orleans is claiming that the flooding is the federal government's fault. It's crazy. They weren't prepared. There's never been a storm like this, this is worse than Camille. And we didn't start to really get hit like this in Birmingham until Ivan less than a year ago.


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That's for the gawker link Judah. They seemed to have added on to the coverage:

"The latest on Condoleezza Rice’s Manhattan vacation, courtesy of a reader:

Secret service is all over Seventh Avenue. That f---ing worthless b---- is shopping in showrooms right now."

Ok, first, as Sec. of State, you should be talking to foreign leaders about getting aid here, not buying shoes. And second, if you're going to be this dumb, DON'T do it in a town in which 85% of the people voted for Kerry.

I can't wait to see the Post's headlines on this one tomorrow because you KNOW they are going to eat this stuff up.
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And you thought Bush's impression of Nero was bad. Here he is pretending to be Marie Antoinette. Let them eat cake!!!! I never thought a modern world leader could possibly be this dumb.



President George W. Bush joins Arizona Senator John McCain in a small celebration of McCain's 69th birthday Monday, Aug. 29, 2005, after the President's arrival at Luke Air Force Base near Phoenix. The President later spoke about Medicare to 400 guests at the Pueblo El Mirage RV Resort and Country Club in nearby El Mirage. White House photo by Paul Morse
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This is honestly ridiculous.

I don't remember the Prime Ministers of Sri Lanka, Thailand, and their officials shopping for shoes, playing the banjo and so on after the tsunami.

Is this man completely without class and tact?

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The entire thing is shameful, IMO. What I don't understand is how all of congress can be gathered in a matter of hours and how W can fly back from vacation in the dead of night for one barely alive corpse in a persistent vegetative state for 15 years (!!!) but when this happens, he's off on vacation and Condoleeza is looking for a pair of Manolos.
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I am honestly not a fan of either W or Condi, however what are they suppose to do? Bail water out of N.O.? Nowadays you can get as much work done at home or on the go as you can sitting in an office.....they're pretty much useless anyway.

As for getting help to those suffering in those areas affected by the hurricane - it does take time to get people and supplies to the area when the airports and roads have been washed out. If the Red Cross had more people there "just in case" the need would arise, then those individuals would have been victims as well. FEMA and the Red Cross have thousands of people and units either already there by now or on their way to assist.

They (FEMA and Red Cross) are trying to keep it as organized as possible and of course would take local or neighboring professionals before utilizing those from other countries. I've assisted in FEMA operations myself and have friends and family who have assisted in several disasters as well. Those who can't help physically can help financially as well as pray for those who are suffering in that area.
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I am honestly not a fan of either W or Condi, however what are they suppose to do? Bail water out of N.O.? Nowadays you can get as much work done at home or on the go as you can sitting in an office.....they're pretty much useless anyway.
They certainly would not be much help bailing water, but from from a purely PR standpoint, what the two of them did couldn't have been worse. Shopping for shoes when your own citizens are considered refugees? Come on now, that's just stuff you don't do. Given the ineffective manner in which matters have been handled so far, their shopping trips and banjo lessons are going to bring them even more heat.

If you want to be useless, do it behind closed doors and not in a public setting.
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Exactly.

Does she need to be on Fifth Avenue trying on $1000/pair Manolos while people shoot each other over a bag of ice in New Orleans?

Come on. It is about appearances. And this looks mighty awful.
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Yeah. I wonder of the special session of Congress being convened tomorrow would have been happening if Katrina didn't damage oil production capacity.....
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They certainly would not be much help bailing water, but from from a purely PR standpoint, what the two of them did couldn't have been worse. Shopping for shoes when your own citizens are considered refugees? Come on now, that's just stuff you don't do. Given the ineffective manner in which matters have been handled so far, their shopping trips and banjo lessons are going to bring them even more heat.

If you want to be useless, do it behind closed doors and not in a public setting.
True but Pres. Clinton was critisized for not "doing anything" or "not enough" after the 1993 (the first) bombing of the WTC. He pretty much continued his normal routine and didn't stay "behind closed doors".

Maybe politicians know they're pretty much useless......and really don't care where they are or who sees them
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True but Pres. Clinton was critisized for not "doing anything" or "not enough" after the 1993 (the first) bombing of the WTC. He pretty much continued his normal routine and didn't stay "behind closed doors".

Maybe politicians know they're pretty much useless......and really don't care where they are or who sees them

While I can appreciate the need to maintain a normal routine, some changes need to happen. Burying your head in the sand does not do any good. I do not specifically know what Clinton did in '93, I would be surprised if he picked up his saxophone and made for a public photo op.

I'm willing to overlook what W. did with the banjo. He was at the base for a good reason. However, Condi's actions are downright callous. She is a figurehead and an ambassador to the world on this country's behalf. She needs to show some concern for the people in New Orleans, which is not done by shopping on fifth ave. I would be surprised if other countries did not see her actions as further proof of this administration's complete lack of compassion and good judgment.
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