MERGED==> The politics of Katrina + Trent Lott + Michael Moore

[kellyahern]

Originally posted by MrsSpringsteen
I've read several times that Michael Moore is considering a movie, I guess it would be like a Fah 9/11 about Katrina..

Michael Moore and his crew are on the scene in Covington, La. A source tells MSNBC.com's Jeannette Walls that the "Fahrenheit 9/11" director is "seriously considering" turning the disaster and its political fallout into a documentary. Word is that the Oscar winner does have cameras, but one of his associates tells us, "We didn't go there to make a documentary. We're participating in the relief effort"

No more movies.

[phanan]

Originally posted by nbcrusader


Please. I guess until you see GWB's head on a stick, you will always question any investigation.

I don't think that was elfyx's point. He just wants bipartisan answers, like we all do.

[MrsSpringsteen]

http://politicalhumor.about.com/b/a/200507.htm

I like this part, lol

"Now for people who are saying, 'Well, let’s stop pointing fingers at the president, the left-wing media is being too hard on him' — no. Shut up. No. This is inarguably — inarguably — a failure of leadership from the top of the federal government. Remember when Bill Clinton went out with Monica Lewinsky. That was inarguably a failure of judgment at the top. Democrats had to come out and risk losing credibility if they did not condemn Bill Clinton for his behavior. I believe Republicans are in the same position right now, and I will say this: Hurricane Katrina is George Bush’s Monica Lewinsky. The only difference is that tens of thousands of people weren’t stranded in Monica Lewinsky’s vagina. Although, this is an interesting point, her vagina at the time was also known at the Superdome

[Lila64]

I posted the web addy for Jon Stewart in the 'Daily Show' appreciation thread over at the LS. He's been brilliant all this week. You should definitely watch all 3 from this week: Inarguable Failure, Meet the F**kers, and Hurricane Aftermath.

http://www.comedycentral.com/shows/t...es/index.jhtml

[Headache in a Suitcase]

i don't like how there are many on the left that are using this tragedy to lob blow after blow at president bush yet are glancing over the fact that that the mayor of new orleans and the governor of louisiana, both democrats, fucked up royaly, too.

all three need to be blamed.

[elfyx]

Originally posted by Headache in a Suitcase
i don't like how there are many on the left that are using this tragedy to lob blow after blow at president bush yet are glancing over the fact that that the mayor of new orleans and the governor of louisiana, both democrats, fucked up royaly, too.

all three need to be blamed.

I completely agree that all three need to be blamed.

[kellyahern]

Originally posted by Headache in a Suitcase
i don't like how there are many on the left that are using this tragedy to lob blow after blow at president bush yet are glancing over the fact that that the mayor of new orleans and the governor of louisiana, both democrats, fucked up royaly, too.

all three need to be blamed.

I think it's sort of dumb actually for some of the democrats to be so agressive. For once, the media is challenging the pat answers. The democrats don't need to beat us over the head with how stupid the administration has acted. We know it, we can see it. Everyday we see it. I'm seeing it now on NBC news. I don't need Pelosi or Reid to tell me. I'm afraid it might backfire.

And yes, the locals fucked up too.


btw, Brown's in charge of preparing for Ophelia (according to NBC).

[nbcrusader]

Hurricane Katrina is George Bush’s Monica Lewinsky

Jon Stewert is an excellent comediane. Too bad he is also viewed as a source of news.

[Clark W. Griswold, Jr]

Originally posted by Headache in a Suitcase


michael moore can suck my nuts

nice to see him attempting to cash in on another national tragedy... douche bag

C'mon headache, he's only down there to help out- just ask him...

Anyway, think of all the water he can displace just by himself.

[MrsSpringsteen]

I don't view Jon Stewart as a source of my news, but there is truth for me in much of his commentary

[MrsSpringsteen]

http://www.trentlottsporch.com/

[MrsSpringsteen]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20050909...A2BHNlYwM3NDI-

" Former Defense Secretary and Sen. William Cohen is credited with the quip, "Government is the enemy until you need a friend." In the wake of Katrina, that may have to be amended, "and then your friend may turn out to be dysfunctional."

We are learning the hard way about the costs of stinting on infrastructure to pay for tax cuts and the war in
Iraq. And we are learning the hard way about the cost of entrusting emergency response to the political cronies and contributors who people this administration."

[kellyahern]

Originally posted by MrsSpringsteen
http://www.trentlottsporch.com/

The sad thing is, if I put that on my car, I'd be afraid that people wouldn't get the sarcasm

[verte76]

Originally posted by Headache in a Suitcase
i don't like how there are many on the left that are using this tragedy to lob blow after blow at president bush yet are glancing over the fact that that the mayor of new orleans and the governor of louisiana, both democrats, fucked up royaly, too.

all three need to be blamed.

I agree, the Democrats shouldn't be screaming too much about the administration's screw-ups. They've got their own problems.

[Moonlit_Angel]

The only thing I have to say about the right complaining that the left's being too hard on the federal government is that, once again, you just know that if it were a Democrat in office and this happened under their watch, there would indeed be people on the right lambasting them, too.

People are right, though, there are Democrats in this situation who've definitely screwed up, too. There's a lot of government officials on both sides that I just don't trust right now. It's just that the whole accusation of the left being too hard kinda irks me-yeah, well, the right would be the exact same way if the situation were reversed, so what's your point?

Sorry if that came off rude. Anywho, I'm in agreement with the idea of moving forward and yet still working to figure out why things fell apart the way they did.

Also...

"I mean, you have people who don't heed those warnings and then put people at risk as a result of not heeding those warnings. There may be a need to look at tougher penalties on those who decide to ride it out and understand that there are consequences to not leaving.” –Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA), Sept. 6, 2005

This guy...continues to appear more idiotic to me with each thing that comes out of his mouth. First off, as pointed out, not everyone had the ability to leave.

And second, again, even if people did have that ability, and yet didn't heed the warning, I still don't agree with this idea of "getting tough" on them. I would imagine there's lots of reasons why people don't leave, after all.

And on another related note, as long as we're all talking about various programs and the commentary on this all, did anyone catch Bill Maher's show last night? He sure had a lot to say about the government's actions. So did George Carlin (he was one of the guests).

One other thing that I was thinking about last night while watching Bill Maher...you know, I can only imagine that this has to be the most surreal thing in the world, for those who were affected by this hurricane, but who are still able to get to various news sources and whatnot, to see everyone and their mother commenting on all of this, be it on TV, on the Internet, on the radio...whatever.

Angela

[Scarletwine]

I wasn't sure where to put this. It is very disturbing to me.
I'm not sure what type of website this is, but the author is a Christian woman from Oklahoma, not a hotbed of liberalism.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/fema.html

I just got back from a FEMA Detainment Camp

I'm extremely depressed to report that things seem to only be getting sadder concerning the people so devastatingly affected by Katrina last week. Two car loads of us headed over to Falls Creek, a youth camp for Southern Baptist churches in Oklahoma that agreed to have its facilities used to house Louisiana refugees. I'm afraid the camp is not going to be used as the kind people of the churches who own the cabins believe it was going to be used.

Jesse Jackson was right when he said "refugees" was not the appropriate word for the poor souls dislocated due to Katrina. But he was wrong about why it is not appropriate. It's not appropriate because they are detainees, not refugees.

Falls Creek is like a small town that is closed down about 9 months out of the year. It is made up of cabins that range from small and humble to large and grandiose, according to how much money the church who owns the cabin has. Each cabin has full kitchen facilities, bathrooms and usually have two large bunkrooms - one for women and one for men. The occupancy of the cabins varies according to the church. This past week the Southern Baptist association of Oklahoma offered the facility as a place to house refugees from the Katrina disaster. Each church owning a cabin was then called to find out if they would make their cabin available. Churches across the state agreed.
...
The only odd thing that occurred prior to setting off happened while I was gassing up in our small town. My daughter was pumping the gas and a lady she knew pulled up to an adjacent pump. My daughter started telling her where we were going and that we were taking things to the refugees. The lady told my daughter that she had been told the Red Cross was not allowing any one to deliver supplies. When I returned to the car from paying for the gas my daughter informed of this. I told her that the Red Cross would not be preventing the members of our church from entering our own cabin, so it really didn't matter. It was at that point we decided to stop back by the house and get my daughter's camera so that she could take pictures if required.
...
We then started lugging in our food products. The foods I had purchased were mainly snacks, but my mother - God bless her soul - had gone all out with fresh vegetables, fruits, canned goods, breakfast cereals, rice, and pancake fixings. That's when we got the next message: They will not be able to use the kitchen.

Excuse me? I asked incredulously.

FEMA will not allow any of the kitchen facilities in any of the cabins to be used by the occupants due to fire hazards. FEMA will deliver meals to the cabins. The refugees will be given two meals per day by FEMA. They will not be able to cook. In fact, the "host" goes on to explain, some churches had already enquired about whether they could come in on weekends and fix meals for the people staying in their cabin. FEMA won't allow it because there could be a situation where one cabin gets steaks and another gets hot dogs - and...

it could cause a riot.

It gets worse.

He then precedes to tell us that some churches had already enquired into whether they could send a van or bus on Sundays to pick up any occupants of their cabins who might be interested in attending church. FEMA will not allow this. The occupants of the camp cannot leave the camp for any reason. If they leave the camp they may never return. They will be issued FEMA identification cards and "a sum of money" and they will remain within the camp for the next 5 months.

My son looks at me and mumbles "Welcome to Krakow."
...
The pictures are astonishing and the story so depressing.

[Lila64]

[kellyahern]

Vice President Dick Cheney visited an emergency management center in Austin, Texas, and said the government was finally gaining control of the situation. "I think we are in fact on our way to getting on top of the whole Katrina exercise. We've got a lot of work ahead of us," he said.

A Newsweek poll published on Saturday found Bush's approval rating at a lowest-ever 38 percent. The survey found 53 percent of Americans no longer trusted him to make correct decisions in a foreign or domestic crisis, against 45 percent who did.

Exercise????


http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/arti...24033709990005

[Teta040]

Hey, let's prevent all the niggas from mingling with the white people. My God, you might just get misengination, you just MIGHT have middle-class white people hearing things the govt might not want them to hear. About their old lives. They just MIGHT hear the truth, and join together. Form politcal groups or social movements. Foment strange changes in voting habits eventually. In short, we don't want PEOPLE WOKEN UP. These poor being kept the way hated groups of refugees are kept, treated like the THird World masses they see them as. They are going to be shoved right back into the next housing project that is made aviailable to them, and back they'll go into their old lives of hidden dispair.

Excuse me for using the n-word, I've never even typed that before, but I am SO angry. WHO Is "playing politics" here?

I am so angry that I might not read any more. Every day I tellmyself that I won't, but I do, b/c I CARE. IN the name of Christ, in the 30's it was just the opposite: the hellholes were the camps run by private individuals, and the governments camps were the good ones. This wasn't just New Deal Propaganda. I actually did the research and it was true.

REally, you guys should read "The Grapes of Wrath" (or watch the movie, which is surprisingly as good as the book) to get a prepective on all this. My Goid, even the people in the squalid private camps were allowed to COOK! And the government camps they finally felt like human beings and not cattle. True, there was probsbly politcs in that too, they were trying to turn them into New Deal voters, but who gives a crap about the poltics if everyone else was treating you like cattler and in the government camp you coild cook and had running water and electricity and a dance you could go to every Saturday night.


REally, THIS is the stuff that should be getting on the nightly news..NOT exposes of Colin Powell....like on ABC last night....

Have you guys read or watched "The Grapes of Wrath"

[verte76]

Oh my goodness Scarletwine. That's a horror story. Thanks for posting it. I could not be more exasperated with FEMA.