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Old 09-06-2005, 08:57 PM   #321
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Wonder what people are going to hear when they call that number?
Really..somebody on here should call that number just for the hell of it and see what they get. This is so FEMA people can't be blamed by courts for screwing victims. Bush covering his ass already, at the local level. Amazing what the man can do when he puts his mind to it.
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(Comment below to be read in one's own head in Adam's Posh Voice)

"You've reached the offices of the Federal Emergency Management Bureau. I'm sorry, but we're closed for lunch. If you're a southern city currently currently facing complete devastation, please leave the name of your city after the beep, and someone will return your call as soon as possible. Thank you!"
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Old 09-07-2005, 05:12 AM   #323
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here he goes again..

"I mean, you have people who don't heed those warnings and then put people at risk as a result of not heeding those warnings. There may be a need to look at tougher penalties on those who decide to ride it out and understand that there are consequences to not leaving.” –Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA), Sept. 6, 2005

don't hurt yourself backpedaling Rick..

http://politicalhumor.about.com/gi/d...2F12574597.htm
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Penalties on the people who are suffering and dying? Because they weren't rich enough to buy a way out or to hop in their cars and drive out? wow. That really blows the mind. Compassionate conservativism at its oxymoronic best.
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Old 09-07-2005, 05:44 AM   #325
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Penalties on the people who are suffering and dying? Because they weren't rich enough to buy a way out or to hop in their cars and drive out? wow. That really blows the mind. Compassionate conservativism at its oxymoronic best.
My thoughts exactly.

I find it very shocking and sad that senior US politicians have so little understanding of what life is like for those less fortunate than themselves that they are able to make such inaccurate assumptions and inappropriate criticism of those who were stuck in New Orleans.
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Old 09-07-2005, 05:52 AM   #326
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here he goes again..

"I mean, you have people who don't heed those warnings and then put people at risk as a result of not heeding those warnings. There may be a need to look at tougher penalties on those who decide to ride it out and understand that there are consequences to not leaving.” –Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA), Sept. 6, 2005

don't hurt yourself backpedaling Rick..

http://politicalhumor.about.com/gi/d...2F12574597.htm




I'm just speechless.
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Old 09-07-2005, 06:01 AM   #327
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His remarks were sharply criticized by the campaign of Democrat Bob Casey Jr., who is seeking to unseat Santorum, the No. 3 Republican in the Senate.




That link that MrsSpringsteen posted is a link to my hometown newspaper! I'm kind of psyched about that.

I've been saying for YEARS that Santorum is an embarrassment to Pennsylvania. Fortunately, I think PA voters are on to him. I would love to see Robert Casey unseat him next year.
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Old 09-07-2005, 06:07 AM   #328
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Anyway, the point is...regardless of funding for wetlands restoration or for the Army Corps of Engineers to fix the damn walls or any other pre-Katrina hindsight bickering, the fact is that people were left behind and help COULD have and should have been there sooner but wasn't...due to very deliberate decisions.
Who made those decisions, in your opinion?
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http://www.drudgereport.com/flash.htm

A CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll of 609 adults taken September 5-6 shows:

Blame Game -- 13% said George W. Bush is "most responsible for the problems in New Orleans after the hurricane"; 18% said "federal agencies"; 25% said "state and local officials"; 38% said "no one is to blame"; 6% had no opinion. -- 29% said that "top officials in the federal agencies responsible for handling emergencies should be fired"; 63% said they should not; 8% had no opinion.
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Here's a link to a BBC article asking for donations for the US. The comments are an example of what the world thinks.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4215336.stm
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by sulawesigirl4
Penalties on the people who are suffering and dying? Because they weren't rich enough to buy a way out or to hop in their cars and drive out? wow. That really blows the mind. Compassionate conservativism at its oxymoronic best. [/QUOTE


Randy Rhodes finally parsed it right.....

"They are conservative with their compassion...."


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Old 09-07-2005, 09:16 AM   #332
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by dazzledbylight
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Originally posted by sulawesigirl4
Penalties on the people who are suffering and dying? Because they weren't rich enough to buy a way out or to hop in their cars and drive out? wow. That really blows the mind. Compassionate conservativism at its oxymoronic best.

Randy Rhodes finally parsed it right.....

"They are conservative with their compassion...."


{just to keep from too much }
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Old 09-07-2005, 11:28 AM   #333
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interesting story about a FEMA employee

https://ssl.tnr.com/p/docsub.mhtml?i...25&s=trb102504
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Rudolph Giuliani, who guided New York City through the dark days after Sept. 11, said there is no place for second-guessing during an emergency, and he is not interested in criticizing the way government officials handled Hurricane Katrina and its aftermath.

The former mayor said before a speech Tuesday that it is too soon to draw any conclusions about whether the agencies that responded took too long or who was responsible. When the situation stabilizes, Giuliani said, the nation can examine the rescue efforts.
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Politics are playing a major role

GOP Politicians Will Help Get Relief Funds
By LAURIE KELLMAN, AP
WASHINGTON (AP) - A triumvirate of Republican power brokers may give Mississippi first dibs in the post-Hurricane Katrina grab for federal disaster funds even though the federal government focused its initial response to the storm on New Orleans.

The state's senior senator, Thad Cochran, is the new chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee, the panel charged with determining how much and where the recovery money will be spent.

Its junior senator's home - a place where GOP leaders from across the county once bantered about politics from rocking chairs on a porch overlooking the Gulf of Mexico - was flattened by Katrina.

"There's nothing there now," Sen. Trent Lott said of his historic Pascagoula house, which had been 12 feet above sea level. "I found my refrigerator, from my kitchen. It went down the street two blocks, turned left and went into a neighbor's yard."

Add Gov. Haley Barbour, a former Republican National Committee chairman, and Mississippi packs more political muscle than the other storm-ravaged states of Louisiana and Alabama.

Television and the Internet have introduced the men to the world in intensely emotional terms.

Before the cameras, Barbour wept, bereft of words, as he tried to describe the scene in the first hours after the storm.

On the Senate floor, the genteel Cochran spoke softly about the storm.

"I don't know of anything that has depressed me more than seeing what I saw yesterday in my state," Cochran said late last week when he presided over an emergency session to send $10.5 billion to the region.

Over the telephone, Lott spoke of the storm as a "great equalizer."

"My problems are not nearly as bad as others'," he said Friday. "My heart was just breaking yesterday and the day before and today."

After touring the flattened Gulf Coast with lawmakers from the region, President Bush made it clear that Mississippi's senior pols have his ear.

"Trent was telling me that we've got to get that port of Pascagoula open so we can get ships of foreign crude oil to the refinery," Bush told reporters.

Mississippi's political muscle follows decades of being in the shadow of Louisiana, clout-wise, on Capitol Hill. But in the wake of departures by such heavyweights as former House Appropriations Committee Chairman Bob Livingston, House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Billy Tauzin, Senate Energy Committee Chairman Bennett Johnson and centrist Democratic Sen. John Breaux, Louisiana now has a relatively junior delegation in Congress.

Cochran and Lott are veterans of both politics and hurricanes. Alumni of the University of Mississippi and lawyers, the sometime rivals have held the most powerful seats in Congress. Helping their state and the region recover from Katrina's wrath is a defining moment in both of their careers.

For Lott, the task is an opportunity to complete his own political recovery.

He was majority leader for five years until 2001, when he made a remark that seemed to praise the late Sen. Strom Thurmond's segregationist past and was forced to step down from the leadership post.

He has rebounded in part by chairing the Senate Rules Committee, being loyal to the party line and building support at home by winning millions of dollars for Mississippi's shipbuilding industry.

A survivor himself, Lott has a new book coming out and harbors ambitions to regain his old post when Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., retires from the Senate next year.

Cochran's clout comes with the most powerful chairmanship in the Senate, the pinnacle of his 26-year Senate career. His inclination for pragmatism over ideology was evident during the 29-minute Senate session last week.

Gaveling open the emergency session as one of the three senators required for such proceedings, he gazed down from the dais as Frist and Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada delivered their statements from behind their desks.

Then Frist switched places with Cochran. From behind the majority leader's desk, Cochran read from the bill and letters from the administration which would make release of the federal funds legal.

He paused only briefly to recount his experience touring Mississippi the day before.

"It was quiet. It was eerie. It was a horrible sight to behold," Cochran said.

Then he launched into a description of the bureaucratic route the money would take to those who need it.


09/06/05 03:01 EDT


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Old 09-07-2005, 12:47 PM   #337
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I don't understand why it's not possible to both move forward AND examine what went wrong.

I think it's better to examine the facts before the facts somehow get changed or disappear.

{/slight bit of conspiracy, with a larger twist of mistrust of politicians}
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Old 09-07-2005, 12:49 PM   #338
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I don't understand why it's not possible to both move forward AND examine what went wrong.

That's what Tim Russert was wondering too.
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Sen. Frist announced on CNN that there will be a bipartisian committee investigation, with the report due in February.

I will await the results with interest senators.
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