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Old 01-12-2008, 10:58 PM   #361
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1. I agree.

2. I just wanted to make it clear that he isn't the only one.
OK ... ?

So what's your defense of Ron Paul here?
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Obama comes pretty close.

How about responding to the rest of that post?
I know no one has been saying that, but the job of the President is to put all people equal under the law, so obviously them not giving marriage rights to gays is unequal.
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http://www.theamericanview.com/index.php?id=898

Let's try this link for the capital punishment remarks.
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Old 01-12-2008, 11:04 PM   #365
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I know no one has been saying that, but the job of the President is to put all people equal under the law, so obviously them not giving marriage rights to gays is unequal.
So, Ron Paul wouldn't be doing the (your words) job of the President, would he?
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I know no one has been saying that, but the job of the President is to put all people equal under the law, so obviously them not giving marriage rights to gays is unequal.
Right. So now that you've acknowledged that, wouldn't that make your previous statements (RP is for equality for all) lies?
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And he wants to leave it to the states, not federally ban it.
To paraphrase the American Prospect, the rights of a state are more important than the rights of a woman.
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To paraphrase the American Prospect, the rights of a state are more important than the rights of a woman.
Like the rights of a state to enforce not murdering people?
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You mean death penalty?
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OK ... ?

So what's your defense of Ron Paul here?
No defense. Just saying that if you're looking for total equality of gays and straights, none of the candidates (except for Kucinich) will suit you.
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So, Ron Paul wouldn't be doing the (your words) job of the President, would he?
Yup, but neither would anyone else except Kucinich.
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Obama is.
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Right. So now that you've acknowledged that, wouldn't that make your previous statements (RP is for equality for all) lies?
No. I meant it when people accused him of being racist. They weren't lies, its not like I intentionally tried to make people think that he wants a federal legality of gay marriage.



And, after all of these posts, it should be worth mentioning that marriage issues have always been left to the states, so it is not much different in allowing the states to select gay marriage issues. And when it comes to gays serving in the military, which is a Federal issue, Ron Paul is for total equality.
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Obama is.
Not total. He doesn't want to give the title.
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No, he said the title is left up to states. Which is acceptable. Whereas Paul's plan ... uh ... ISN'T acceptable.

Let me explain it to you in a chart:

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No, he said the title is left up to states. Which is acceptable. Whereas Paul's plan ... uh ... ISN'T acceptable.

Let me explain it to you in a chart:

Put up all the charts you want, if I were to tell you that African Americans were allowed to have civil unions but I won't give them the title of marriage, would that be full equality? And it is just the title, so why not give it?
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It's not full equality. I never said it was. But look at where we are right now. Which plan is a significant step? Which isn't? Which gives rights? Which doesn't?

It is just a title, and I don't understand why he doesn't give it to them. But the candidate who gives the rights is making progress. The candidate who leaves it up to states isn't. End of story.
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Like the rights of a state to enforce not murdering people?
I don't support the death penalty, so I'm not sure what your point is.
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It's not full equality. I never said it was. But look at where we are right now. Which plan is a significant step? Which isn't? Which gives rights? Which doesn't?

It is just a title, and I don't understand why he doesn't give it to them. But the candidate who gives the rights is making progress. The candidate who leaves it up to states isn't. End of story.
Well in that chart you put him up with Kucinich as if they both are saying the same thing. Yes Obama's is a more liberal position than Paul's but it is not full equality. I agree, end of story.
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