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Old 10-24-2002, 10:58 PM   #141
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it didn't take long, Bama!
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Old 10-24-2002, 11:04 PM   #142
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10/24/02 Okay, here is how the beltway sniper is going to be tied to Al Qaeda. Ground Zero USA, where the beltway sniper supposedly practiced his shooting in Alabama, is already linked to Al Qaeda training. (Can we bomb Saddam now? Can we? Can we?)
Didn't they rule out any connection to the Ground Zero training camp?
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The idea that anyone of Muhammed's physical stature could curl up inside the trutn with a rifle, scope, and tripod and still hit anything through a hole drilled in the rear of the car is stretching credibility.
I was under the impression that the back seat of the car was modified so that the shooter could lie along the inside of the trunk.
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There is also a conflict between the claim that John Muhammed conferted to Islam 17 years ago and the "I am God" written on the Tarot card. It is a major-league sin to call oneself or anyone else "God".
Isn't Malvo the one suspected of writing the notes? Has it been confirmed that he was Muslim?

Also, the Nation of Islam is very different from the types of Islam practiced in the Middle East.
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And how did we get from "white van" to "blue Caprice"?
I think this is understandable. In the first ring of shootings here in Montgomery County, someone reported seeing a white truck/van. The media picked up on that, the story spread, and suddenly white vans were at every crime scene. The fact is, white vans and trucks are EVERYWHERE in the DC area. The probability of one NOT being in the areas during the shootings is low, especially since most of the shootings took place during rush hour or fairly early in the night, when there is still a lot of traffic.

I think it would have been easy to get away from the crime scenes quickly without being noticed as long as the driver could stay composed and not appear to be fleeing the scene. In a busy urban area, it's easy to be inconspicuous and to leave the area before police are able to respond. After the first shootings, I'm sure it was easier since police were focusing their attention on the white vans people had reported seeing on the tips line.
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Old 10-24-2002, 11:48 PM   #143
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Isn't Malvo the one suspected of writing the notes? Has it been confirmed that he was Muslim?

Actually, meegannie, I have heard some media reports of Kid Malvo's communication with a priest (a confession on an answering machine or voice mail?) which leads me to believe that Kid Malvo is Catholic and was acting on the orders of Pope Urban II.

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Old 10-25-2002, 12:37 AM   #144
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[QUOTE][i] And how did we get from "white van" to "blue Caprice"?

The Blue Caprice was actually seen at the 1st 2 shootings.

(Can we bomb Saddam now? Can we? Can we?)

Well we pretty much been hitting targets in the noflyzone for the past few months. If Sadaam were to put a bulls-eye on his back, I am sure we would oblige him.
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Old 10-25-2002, 12:40 AM   #145
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Actually, meegannie, I have heard some media reports of Kid Malvo's communication with a priest (a confession on an answering machine or voice mail?) which leads me to believe that Kid Malvo is Catholic and was acting on the orders of Pope Urban II.

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Old 10-25-2002, 05:43 AM   #146
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GOOD NEWS to hear the b*sterds been cauhgt!



give him life sentance.....

10 lives cannot be brought back because of him and his fuked up game, but now 10 more of possibly kids lives have been saved.......




u all know what I mean.
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Does anyone else think it's not a good idea to release to the public to be on the lookout for "this" type of vehichcle when in fact there is no evidence or witnesses with credible enough statements "I SAW the gun reach out of that white van" ?

I'm starting to think the police need to just gather this kind of info and keep it to themselves, because inevitably it's beaten into our heads so often "white van white van white van" that if ppl hear a shot, they are almost looking for the white van, and pay no attention to what else is in the area.

It reminds me of another case where girls were being kidnapped and murdered and the vehicle we were supposed to be on the lookout for was a white Ford F150, that's what the cops were sure was involved just because it's the only thing anyone could remember seeing, and for months afterwards ppl were calling in with "there's a F150 here!" and other false alarms.
Turns out they didn't catch the jerk until 5 years later, and it was a green Ford Taurus that was his vehicle.
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Old 10-25-2002, 01:21 PM   #148
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Does anyone else think it's not a good idea to release to the public to be on the lookout for "this" type of vehichcle when in fact there is no evidence or witnesses with credible enough statements "I SAW the gun reach out of that white van" ?

I'm starting to think the police need to just gather this kind of info and keep it to themselves, because inevitably it's beaten into our heads so often "white van white van white van" that if ppl hear a shot, they are almost looking for the white van, and pay no attention to what else is in the area.

I am sure the police consider the pros/cons of releasing evidentiary material, including alleged witness descriptions. It is part of the cat & mouse game played between law enforcement and criminals. I suspect many criminals examine the press after their crimes to see how much notoriety they’ve created for themselves.

You also have the tension between law enforcement and the press. If law enforcement has information that turns out to be true, yet did not release it, they risk the claim that another life could have been saved had the information been released.

But to your point, there are societal costs for the release of false information. Just watch what happens every time an Amber alert is issued.
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Old 10-25-2002, 01:44 PM   #149
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I do think that the Amber Alert system is a good thing, but in those cases isn't it usually because someone point blank saw a child being taken, or suspects a relative?

I just wonder how many times we've heard certain descriptions so often that subconsciously people around will just focus in on that type of vehicle, not noticing the other things around, thus could be missing the real evidence.

And I also meant to say that, mabey the cops waiting until they got a few accounts of "white van" then releasing it, but since it was released after the first shooting, it became the focus and stuck out in our minds.
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I am sure plenty of time was lost if the police had a profile sheet reading (white male driving white van).

Just think, at any given moment on the freeway, how many white vans are within view.
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The blue car was a shock after hearing all that white van stuff. I found out how they knew it:

The kid called in and bragged of the Montgomery, AL shooting. The task force contacted AL and found out there was an unsolved murder. Malvo's fingerprints were on a magazine (weapons magazine incidently) he dropped while running from the scene. Malvo's fingerprints were also on a letter left at a shooting scene by the snipers. Then came the Tacoma, WA connection, and Malvo and Muhammad were linked. Six days after the killing spree began, the pair were caught sleeping in their car by Baltimore cops. Not finding anything on them they let them go! But that night's dispatch tape was used to get the description of their vehicle and the liscense number which ultimately did them in.

It was reported the snipers were mad over being hung up on 6 times on the hotline and wanted to be taken seriously very badly and their arrogance trying to prove it only gave them away as they mentioned the AL shooting which was the big tie-in. Now that we know this was a teenage Jamaican boy I'm not surprised they thought he was a prankster, of the 90,000 calls many were pranks, and teen boys play pranks and jokeing people use Rastafarian accents a lot so it took the real info to make them believe him. Sigh, guess they believe him now!
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Old 10-25-2002, 09:42 PM   #152
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Sparkysgrrrl:

The main flaw I see with your position is this:

You are saying we should allow such criminals to commit several crimes without getting the public involved so that we can figure out their pattern before we go after them. That seems a bit dangerous to me.

I think the public needs to know ASAP who to be on the lookout for.

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Old 10-25-2002, 10:19 PM   #153
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About that trunk modified into a sniper's nest:

From CNN.com:

One senior law enforcement source called the Caprice a "killing machine" with two holes in the trunk, one for the rifle, the other for the scope, a senior law enforcement told CNN.

The two holes were there so that shots could be fired without opening the trunk, this source said, adding that the back seat could fold down, enabling a potential shooter to stretch out in the back without stepping foot outside.
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Old 10-27-2002, 10:42 AM   #154
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I just thought this was a beautiful article-these people were all special obviously and will be so missed by their friends and families

FAREWELL TO AN EVERYDAY HERO WITH A BIG HEART

By STEVE DUNLEAVY

October 27, 2002 -- WASHINGTON.

YES, he might have been a simple bus driver in life, but in death he was given a presidential farewell. Four thousand people jammed Glendale Baptist Church, 1,200 jammed another room with closed-circuit TV of the service and 1,000 milled outside.

"To know Conrad was to love him," widow Denise Johnson said to a friend as she was led into the church. E-mail poured in from bus drivers around the world, a delegation of New York bus drivers arrived and there was even a small group of bus drivers from the Netherlands to pay their respects to Conrad Johnson, 35, gunned down last Tuesday in venom and madness.

His sister, Tryna Johnson, recalled: "When his wife Denise had her birthday on Feb. 15, Conrad called her on his cell phone. He just said, ‘Listen to this.' He then, while driving the bus, had all these passengers sing ‘Happy Birthday' over the phone."

Stephanie Howard-Brown, a friend of the widow, said: "Conrad was a real cut-up. Always a smile, and he always touched a lot of lives."

Mourners viewed the body of Conrad Johnson starting at 9 a.m. yesterday. The service did not end until 3:15 p.m.

It is fair to use the cliche that this was not so much a mourning of death but a celebration of Conrad's 35 years as a happy-go-lucky, loving guy.

When the choir sang, the congregation clapped and swayed. Despite the stirring moment of yesterday, complete closure was not in sight.

It took 22 days of police investigation - but just 11/2 hours for a motorist to nail the alleged killers after the description of the car and license plate emerged even before Chief Charles Moose released the news.

Prince George's County, where Conrad lived, has declared Oct. 22, the day he was gunned down, as "Conrad Johnson Day." Conrad's widow Denise was led sobbing from the church, but she'll always know that even if her husband was a simple bus driver, he had a presidential farewell.

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Wow, that is so touching. Thanks for sharing, Gina.
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