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Old 01-05-2008, 09:42 PM   #81
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I'm sensing some sexual tension between John Edwards and Hillary.

Bill better watch himself.
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I see.

Maybe you should take a look at Ron Paul. He is against torture, he for equal rights of straights and gays, and of course, he is against the War in Iraq.

Just a suggestion.
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I really like Obama and think he would be a great president at some point, but I continue to worry that he's not ready for it. Half of a term in the Senate sure isn't a lot of time. He's obviously an inspiring speaker, a great motivator, and very smart, but you know, I think experience still has to account for some things, especially in this day and age.
Be careful about saying such radical things around here, though. I bring up that exact same point, and I get pounced on.
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Be careful about saying such radical things around here, though. I bring up that exact same point, and I get pounced on.
George W. Bush.
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That was kind of a blah debate.

I really like Obama and think he would be a great president at some point, but I continue to worry that he's not ready for it. Half of a term in the Senate sure isn't a lot of time. He's obviously an inspiring speaker, a great motivator, and very smart, but you know, I think experience still has to account for some things, especially in this day and age.
But there's something to be said for a president who hasn't yet been totally cynicised(whether that's a word or not I don't know) by the Washington machine.
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But there's something to be said for a president who hasn't yet been totally cynicised(whether that's a word or not I don't know) by the Washington machine.
The key word there is yet. I don't know if anyone in recent history has been able to withstand the "machine" that is Washington politics once they get there.

People can make all the promises they want, but you don't get far in Washington without compromising a lot, and you end up accomplishing a lot less than you originally planned. That pretty much goes for everyone.
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Who's the true agent of change? Not counting past tense forms of the word, by my count, here's a breakdown by candidate.

Hillary Clinton -- 23 utterances of "change"
Barack Obama -- 15 utterances of "change"
John Edwards -- 14 utterances of "change"

Not bad for only 90 minutes but I was expecting more from Edwards.

Number of "God love all of you for making this argument" that were received from the moderator Charles Gibson.

Democratic panel of debaters -- one
Republican panel of debaters -- zero

No surprise there.

It was a nice touch to have debaters from both parties mingle between debates however.
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I thought the Republican debate was very interesting. I think McCain threw in one too many unnecessary shots at Mitt, though, who was definetely on the defensive all night. But Romney still did very well, I thought. It was certainly more interesting than the Dem debate. I only saw about half of it, but it seemed
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Who's the true agent of change? Not counting past tense forms of the word, by my count, here's a breakdown by candidate.

Hillary Clinton -- 23 utterances of "change"
Barack Obama -- 15 utterances of "change"
John Edwards -- 14 utterances of "change"

Not bad for only 90 minutes but I was expecting more from Edwards.

Number of "God love all of you for making this argument" that were received from the moderator Charles Gibson.

Democratic panel of debaters -- one
Republican panel of debaters -- zero

No surprise there.

It was a nice touch to have debaters from both parties mingle between debates however.
And, as with every single previous debate, about a million mentions of "this administration."
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I thought the Republican debate was very interesting. I think McCain threw in one too many unnecessary shots at Mitt, though, who was definetely on the defensive all night.
I don't like Mitt in any sense of the word, but McCain came across as really petty and smug.

I actually liked Huckabee a lot, he sounded like a normal, civilized guy. I can see why he'd get the populist support, because he's likeable, non-threatening and knows when to shut up.

The whole debate was like watching a clown car.
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And, as with every single previous debate, about a million mentions of "this administration."
More accurately, "the failed policies of this administration."
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I don't like Mitt in any sense of the word, but McCain came across as really petty and smug.

I actually liked Huckabee a lot, he sounded like a normal, civilized guy. I can see why he'd get the populist support, because he's likeable, non-threatening and knows when to shut up.

The whole debate was like watching a clown car.
Agreed. I don't think the Republican debate was any better, and in certain parts, it was actually worse than the Democrats.

This might improve Huckabee's numbers here more than I originally thought now.
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Ron Paul rocked the Republican thing, and I believe McCain was very strong. Huckabee and Romney stayed in it.

My -ugggggh- factor for the Fredhead and Ghoul-ee-oneee could not be greater.

My Dems were less spice and surprisingly nice. Richardson and Edwards regained a bit of space, and I feel Barack and Hillary hit a bit of tie.

Let's see what happens Tuesday, but I am still on Barack and Roll.

And frankly, Kucinich would have made the tiny Dem debate more fun, and -f--- them for leaving him out.
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Here's how Time.com rated the master debaters tonight:

Democrats:

Obama A-
Edwards B+
Clinton B
Richardson B-


Republicans:

McCain A-
Giuliani B+
Thompson B-
Huckabee B-
Paul C+
Romney C+
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People can make all the promises they want, but you don't get far in Washington without compromising a lot, and you end up accomplishing a lot less than you originally planned. That pretty much goes for everyone.
Having the same party in the White House, Senate, and House (with decent majorities) will help expedite legislation. E.g. a better energy bill is needed - the last one was too light. The Dems will pass a tougher one.
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With good reason.
I don't know about that. I could certainly understand them using "this administration" with the frequency they do if Bush was up for re-election, but he isn't. It just makes them look desperate and quite obsessed, if you ask me.
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Are you being paid to promote this guy or something?
Nah. I'm working for free.
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McCain A-
Giuliani B+
Thompson B-
Huckabee B-
Paul C+
Romney C+
I think I'd swap Romney and Giuliani. McCain did the best, with Romney right behind him.
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Here's how Time.com rated the master debaters tonight:

Democrats:

Obama A-
Edwards B+
Clinton B
Richardson B-


Republicans:

McCain A-
Giuliani B+
Thompson B-
Huckabee B-
Paul C+
Romney C+

Paul definitely won that thing.
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